It’s also inaccurate to call this language “inclusive.” In reality, you’re excluding most Americans who aren’t among the handful of mostly affluent, white, college educated people who talk like this. My Bangladeshi immigrant mom would have no idea what to do if a warning popped up telling her that she should use a different word than “mother.”
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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
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Reminds me of when GitHub stopped using "master" for the default branch because it was somehow offensive.
My opinion: `main` is better. It's shorter, it's more descriptive, and costs nothing to remove something someone might find offensive. It's pretty much an all around win.
So let's say they Christians decide "git abort" is offensive, do we remove it. And then group X decides term Y is offensive, do we remove it?
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>However, the net result is that words are driven out of the language even if everyone involved in the document wouldn't care. No one uses "fuck" in corporate communication either. Is anyone worried about that word being "driven out of the language"? I don't think corporate speech is as influential in overall language use as you are implying.
> No one uses "fuck" in corporate communication either. Swear words are specifically used to be provocative, so naturally they're not going to disappear. Words like "motherboard" or "whitelist" were historically neutral and primarily used in professional settings, so removal from corporate speech is correspondingly a much bigger factor. To be clear, I'm not particularly worried or concerned about this. I don't consid…
> the kind thing to do is to go along with those who do care a lot.
Enabling bullies in their social dominance games isn’t being kind.
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Sure the origin is to do with Lords but landlord isn't male, anyone can be a landlord, pretending it's gendered is just lying to try and be offended. Presumably, such people think the word coward references bovines as it includes the word cow. I don't like that landlords exist, but that's an inordinately stupid reason to try and get rid of a word. Surely noone believes that by sensoring a word you get rid of that whi…
> pretending it's gendered is just lying to try and be offended. Please don't assume this. In the southern US in the late 80s and early 90s, "landlady" was a term that was very commonly used for female "landlords". I'm not sure if it's specifically regional, though.
"landlady" existing doesn't mean landlord is gendered. Actor and Actress.
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Like most things, it depends on the situation. The point is to find something that does work. Surely there’s room for improvement?
A nudging system like this better have a much higher signal to noise ratio otherwise it really amps up the clippy-like annoyance. Keep in mind this isn't something you have to go turn on in a menu for "help me write inclusively", it's enabled by default for all; and while I might personally appreciate the reminders when they do work, I'm not sure as many users of the software think playing word police should be a pri…
Yes. I worry that I’m being misunderstood.
- It would be nice to improve our antiquated language. I’m thankful that other people have the time and expertise to work on this.
- Changing language by decree from our tech overlords is dystopian. Google in particular I don’t trust to act in good faith.
Both thoughts can be held simultaneously.
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#716It’s also inaccurate to call this language “inclusive.” In reality, you’re excluding most Americans who aren’t among the handful of mostly affluent, white, college educated people who talk like this. My Bangladeshi immigrant mom would have no idea what to do if a warning popped up telling her that she should use a different word than “mother.”
Hear hear. Latinx, Filipinx - how dare the whites invent terminology to refer to disadvantaged minorities, using incorrect grammatical constructions or letters not even in the language of the people you refer to.
This is white cultural imperialism, full stop. Right or left, I don't care where it comes from - I know it when I smell it.
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Grammarly is also an OS-wide keylogger. https://www.kolide.com/blog/is-grammarly-a-keylogger-what-ca... They claim not to be a keylogger, but, you know, Amazon claims that Alexa isn't always listening too and/but/yet also that it'll wake up immediately when you say the right wake word. So, I'd take their claims with a lot of salt.
> Amazon claims that Alexa isn't always listening too and/but/yet also that it'll wake up immediately when you say the right wake word Strictly Alexa, the device, is always listening in order to trigger on the wake word. It's just that audio doesn't get sent to Amazon until it hears a wake word (then it just streams the audio to Amazon to process it. locally it's only smart enough to listen for a wake word). This is…
You'd agree that this creates a hypertechnical situations where slight changes in the hardware or software create undetectable situations for non-technical consumers. For example, we do not know for certain that Alexa devices never stream audio when they have not yet processed the wake word. A device that you test it on may have a different policy from a device sold a year from now, yet the Internet (archives) will say that, no, it doesn't listen.
Google hid a microphone in its Nest Protect product. https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a264489...
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#718> Emily Lipstein typed “Motherboard” (as in, the name of this website) into a document and Google popped up to tell her she was being insensitive: “Inclusive warning. Some of these words may not be inclusive to all readers. Consider using different words.” It’s amazing how a Fortune 500 company can release a product that chastises you for using the word “motherboard” because it has “mother” in it, while other people…
A $trillion corporation's garbage product is The Left now?
It seems people forget that actual leftism is an economic theory regarding how labour relates to capital. The fact that it's conflated with angry twitter wokescolds is very convenient for those who want to turn people away from leftist economic ideas.
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Main is better. Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations. This one isn't a big deal.
> Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations Why? I think that slavery is bad only if the slaves are people. I want machines to be my slaves! (non-sentient machines only, dear future AI overlords!)
This counterargument is cute, but realistically if ever comes the day that slave feels like an appropriate term to use for my machines, I think I’ll still be a bit queasy.
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> No one uses "fuck" in corporate communication either. Swear words are specifically used to be provocative, so naturally they're not going to disappear. Words like "motherboard" or "whitelist" were historically neutral and primarily used in professional settings, so removal from corporate speech is correspondingly a much bigger factor. To be clear, I'm not particularly worried or concerned about this. I don't consid…
> the kind thing to do is to go along with those who do care a lot. Enabling bullies in their social dominance games isn’t being kind .
Yeah, I generally either mock them or go into malicious compliance mode. Once they realise I really don't care about losing my job they stop pretending to care about this stuff