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Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Tesla's AI engineers can't even solve their own problems, why do you think they could solve Twitter's?

They have solved much harder problems than spam bots.

Solved is a strong word here. They've certainly made a lot of progress

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As a Netflix shareholder at the time they adopted their poison pill, I feel like the subsequent ~40x increase in share price has been very much in my interest. :-) Of course hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time, it seemed like the company was prioritizing long-term growth, whereas if they were taken over by Carl Icahn, they'd certainly not be.

Twitter definitely isn’t Netflix. It’s been a dog since IPO, languished under a part time disinterested CEO, and only peaked because of the pandemic meme stock era. As an individual and index shareholder I’d love for Musk to take it away at a premium, I have zero faith management will do anything positive.

Strong agree, Twitter hasn't grown their user base more than 10% since 2015, they might be making more revenue per user but annual revenue is likely ready to plateau if it hasn't already. Getting a premium on your stock is a good option if you can get it and a natural outcome of investing.

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"asshole" What has he done to deserve that label?

I mean, you don't have to believe it makes him one, but it's not like people can't find examples of things that they might consider worth the label: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 his defense being.... > Mr Musk told the court this week the phrase "pedo guy" was common in South Africa, where he grew up.

Holy moly - reading that article I never knew the British caver's lawyer was the same completely delusional Lin Wood from the idiotic "kraken" lawsuits. No wonder he lost the case.

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Tesla's AI engineers can't even solve their own problems, why do you think they could solve Twitter's?

They have solved much harder problems than spam bots.

"Spam bots" on their own aren't a hard problem. The hard problem is a very restrictive set of constraints on the solution space, e.g. "can't inconvenience or increase barriers to posting for legitimate users in any way."

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Some points from the All in Pod. 1. The Twitter board of directors has become a status thing. It's like a country club. They don't have real skin in the game; they don't own much stock. They're not aligned with the shareholders. It's about status and cultural power. 2. Why should we believe that the company will become more valuable when the stock price is where it was way back in December 2013? Compare to how the S&…

> One AI engineer from Tesla could solve Twitter’s bot and spam problem I think you underestimate how hard the problem is or you don’t fully understand how it works. The scale at which Twitter operates makes it near impossible to take down spam in real time. You don’t think Twitter is working on it, but they are. What you see is a much smaller percentage of the actual spam generated, and the reason you see it is beca…

An alternative take: there's spam that's trivial to spot and spam that's hard to spot. Twitter is ignoring both. I can give you both searches and keywords to post which will return lots of spam ready to block. Not everything of course, but let's not post the "spam is a hard problem" excuse until they nuke every account responding with "metamask" and a link to Google forms.

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Some points from the All in Pod. 1. The Twitter board of directors has become a status thing. It's like a country club. They don't have real skin in the game; they don't own much stock. They're not aligned with the shareholders. It's about status and cultural power. 2. Why should we believe that the company will become more valuable when the stock price is where it was way back in December 2013? Compare to how the S&…

> One AI engineer from Tesla could solve Twitter’s bot and spam problem I think you underestimate how hard the problem is or you don’t fully understand how it works. The scale at which Twitter operates makes it near impossible to take down spam in real time. You don’t think Twitter is working on it, but they are. What you see is a much smaller percentage of the actual spam generated, and the reason you see it is beca…

To think that a company that has failed to create self-driving for nearly a decade could solve "content moderation", one of the hardest problem on the internet that every single of the big companies (who btw hire the best talent) have been struggling with, is truly a shocking statement to me.

If all Google and Facebook couldn't solve it, why could a Tesla engineer of all people...

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Tesla's AI engineers can't even solve their own problems, why do you think they could solve Twitter's?

They have solved much harder problems than spam bots.

You mean self driving, which they promised would be ready over 5 years ago and still barely at L3 level? Meanwhile Google engineers have actual L4 level self-driving in both Phoenix and San Francisco (by your logic, they are better than Tesla engineers), yet have not managed to solve Youtube's spam problem.

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Tesla's AI engineers can't even solve their own problems, why do you think they could solve Twitter's?

They have solved much harder problems than spam bots.

This is the last place I would expect to see naive hero worship of Tesla's autopilot software, of all things.

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I don't immediately buy the logic of "Stock A hit a peak of $X last year, therefore that is the correct price/valuation, and not the lower price it is right now" If Twitter was worth more, it'd be worth more. With that logic, you should put a huge chunk of your savings into Twitter to benefit from the insight, as it's currently trading at 39% below its 52-week high.

I think we have to tolerate a certain amount of irrationality from shareholders. If you bought a $100k home which then dipped to $80k during Covid, would you accept an unsolicited bid of $90k? It's reasonable for some people to take the bid, since you could arguably buy another comparable house for $80k and pocket the $10k difference, but I think a lot of other people would reasonably choose not to. (I'm not totally…

You build a home and 10+ years in 2021 it's worth 100,000 today 60,000 and someone offers you 80,000 for it you might sell.
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