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With a couple rouge agents being your definition of obvious danger, there can never be another protest. Apply that same logic to the protests a year before and see how it goes

I feel like that is an understatement. This is not a few good old boys throwing a snowball. It's acts of arson, attempted murder, probably fits the definition of terrorism. And that's just the apartment building incident. And of course the protests a year before were in no part better.

I didn't mention severity or intention on purpose. Even the most just causes have a few self-righteous assholes willing to justify the means

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If a person or group knowingly deploys sonic psychological warfare techniques upon innocent people, they are torturers. In this context, the constant blaring of truck horns is deliberate and not meant in kindness or frivolity. The negative psychological effects upon the local residents are now well known and well documented.

Okay but the thing about torture is, in order to be torture you must be prevented from leaving the situation. Are they literally trapping people in their homes? No. You just really really don't like them and so are trying to delegitimize their protest with use of loaded language. Torture means things like having your skin pealed off or your fingernails removed. Torture means things like being imprisoned and repeatedl…

Oh, it's fine, because everyone can afford to go to a hotel for a few weeks, then, right?

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>there is no violence, and no obvious danger While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses.... Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed? The protestors haven'…

I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. But, most of them are not residents of Ottawa, and the lived experiences of people in that city, particurlarly those who have had run ins wi…

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It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

> "drop mandates"

That little throw away at the end, where we just give in to people making demands outside of democratic methods says it all, I think.

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The protest is super unpopular in canada. It could just as easily be a random canadian citizen who is pissed about the protest and wants to prove that the protest is not grass roots but foreign meddling.

> The protest is super unpopular in canada.

Given the unfair media coverage, is it any wonder?

There seems to be, including in your own post, a lot of ad hominem attacks ("one person had a confederate flag! some people in the US support the cause too! this means it's totally evil") rather than addressing the human rights the protestors are fighting for, and it's a shame. But it's no surprise given the opposite media coverage for the opposite type of protest (violent riots) two summers ago.

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Less than hour before the equivalent of Marshall Law is declared here in Canada and my civil rights are taken away. What should I do in my last hour of freedom?

No, it's not the equivalent to martial law. Every civil law still applies, parliament and the courts are still operating normally with their full powers. It's closer to sending the national guard.

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minority does not need to be defined by race sex or religion. What about people who had covid and reluctant about vaccines? All that word soup is irrelevant. Getting fired after having worked through the heights of epidemic is a serious "lived experience" and also "an ample evidence" of bureaucratic overreach. Anyway, bunch of provinces including Ontario already cancelled vaccine mandates and vaccine passports, only…

Getting fired for not getting vaccines was a line that I didn't agree with. However, the vast majority of organizations that did this were private though, and it was the organization that implemented these policies. I'd hardly equate that with government overreach, and especially not the federal government if you're a nurse/healthcare worker, or worked in a local municipal government. My point is that these protests…

> ... and it was the organization that implemented these policies ...

That may not be true. It is common for governments to implement the really unpleasant policies by using businesses as an enforcement arm (eg, surveillance via banks and telecom companies). It bears asking why companies have all, in coordination, picked up a set of policies that are both ineffective and divisive - it is entirely on the table that it is because of government pressure in the form of OH&S guidelines.

Firing unvaccinated people barely does anything w.r.t. changing the odds that people get COVID eventually. We've seen ample evidence that being vaccinated doesn't change the transmissible situation. So why are companies doing this? Their employees are still going to turn up and transmit COVID. By this point, the anti-vaccine types have probably caught COVID and gained natural immunity anyway so these policies would represent companies shooting themselves in the foot. It is possible they'd do that of their own initiative but it is nevertheless a bit weird.

> My point is that these protests don't have anything to do with vaccines, mandates or some perceived minority status...

Why do you think these protests have just mushroomed up? Have trucker protests been an ongoing thing in Canada for many decades?

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Who is barred? I’ve travelled to Canada to visit family a number of times last year and once so far this year. I have another trip planned for late spring. Canadian citizens enter by right.

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

Upstream in this thread we have "it's not torture because no-one is making those residents who live in the area stay" - because of course, they all can afford the time and effort to go stay in a hotel out of the area for a few weeks...

Here we have "oh, well, it might as well be a ban, if you're going to inconvenience someone for a few weeks".

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post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

I didn't see (nonfringe) calls for martial law. I saw calls for the military to tow the trucks because the actual truck towing companies the police normally subcontracted to were unwillingness to piss off their customer base/risk of violence from truckers/agreement with the protests. And, of the various government agencies, only the military had access to the heavy vehicle movers that were needed.

> I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game)

Most media doesn't have a political endgame. They have a bias for sensationalism and clickbait.

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As a Canadian I humbly request Americans stay out of our politics, particularly when it comes to influencing them via monetary donations. Get your own house in order, don't encourage wannabe insurrectionists who had a manifesto to take over the government in blatantly undemocratic ways.

That is ironic coming from a Canadian. Just recently, a lot of money poured in from Canada to support the farmer protest in India. Here is one example: https://www.gofundme.com/f/donatetofarmers PS: Not that I support the current Canadian protests. Edit: Some other examples: 1. https://globalnews.ca/news/7680005/farmers-india-protest-bil... 2. https://thewire.in/rights/justin-trudeau-farmers-protest-ind... 3. https:/…

As a matter of principle I agree with you, however there is also a large Indian diaspora in Canada and it's quite possible most of that money was donated by Indians; it doesn't make a lot of sense for a Canadian living in the US to donate the money from a US account though.
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