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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by mywacaday »

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

I wasn't aware that the under 5 trial had failed, we are currently deciding if we will give it to our 6 year old. From a biologial/science perspective can someone here explain why might the vaccine work in a 5 year old and not in a 3/4 year old?

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Post by burrows »

analog31 wrote: post #672
afavour wrote: post #435

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I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

Going further, we've moved on from the un-vaccinated in general. My problem is that even though I live in a bubble with 100% vaccination rate among my relatives and friends (most of our kids are older), I can't quite make peace with just letting the un-vax'd kill one another off. And there seems to be no middle ground.

> I can't quite make peace with just letting the un-vax'd kill one another off.

Why?

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Post by valachio »

01100011 wrote: post #665
vmception wrote: post #122

Great article! Just a week or two ago on this forum there were people willing to treat me like a far right conservative or a general anti-vaxxer from the facebook troll factory, just because I didn't like a private institution’s booster mandate. That was fascinating.

Welcome to the internet. Some of it stems from exhaustion. People sense any sort of deviation from the official dogma and they assume you're another idiot who they'll end up arguing with. It's sad. There is a lot of nuance to many of our cherished positions and discussion strengthens the truth but many people just get offended by genuine curiosity.

I remember in the early days of the Internet, people were saying how the Internet would encourage critical discussions and open fruitful debates.

Now I think the Internet actually enforces groupthink and eradicates opposing narratives. Platforms like Twitter allows people to dox those with unorthodox ideas and behaviors and cancel them, which is basically a modern day version of "burnt at the stake". It seems that the Internet also ended up give an even more effective podium for authoritarian regimes to push their narrative, best example of this being the Chinese government.

At the root of all this is human nature. Perhaps technology won't help humanity transcend, but it will only reinforce what's already there.

I have to give Hacker News a thumbs up here. I think Hacker News is much better than a place like Reddit for open-minded discussions. Reddit has become a place where subreddit are often times moderated by a group of mods who act like a single-party state.

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Post by kevinmchugh »

aaroninsf wrote: post #562
mizzack wrote: post #246

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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

I sincerely hope they dodge long COVID and related consequences like increased risk of childhood diabetes. I also hope the collective we makes progress on understanding the nature of long COVID and can find a strategy for mitigating its consequences. Anecdotal accounts of the bewildering and depressing range of affects it is having on some people (last estimate I saw, 30% of cases, but that's pre-omicron AFAIK) make…

One issue with long covid investigation is that it's often poorly defined. A person with anxiety three months after a covid case might be said to have long covid. It's worth figuring out what portion of the population has anxiety, covid infection or not.

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Post by conradfr »

celtain wrote: post #558
lambdaba wrote: post #458

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I don't want to discourage you but it appears to me like with this variant (and probably even more with further variants), it will be impossible to avoid infection whatever you do (and I mean, mitigation strategies will have probably no effect). Look at the numbers we're suddenly getting without anything changing in the landscape (actually, despite a very high number of vaccinations). It looks like the virus has beco…

This reminds me of people who say that "duck and cover" is useless in the face of a nuclear strike. Obviously mitigations won't help if you're blasted in the face by an airburst (nuclear or biological), but it seems like it could still help if you're on the fringe of exposure.

Maybe it's more duck and cover in the face of lava like in South Park.

It seems active / non-retired people will have a hard time avoiding it but after all the current wave will stop like the others so maybe I'm wrong.

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Post by jat850 »

rabuse wrote: post #600
Ekaros wrote: post #445

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What way to beat the virus? Clearly not vaccines as they aren't that great... Clearly not lockdowns as as soon as we give that up the virus hits... We aren't beating it in anyway... Maybe it is time to accept the reality.

I've been telling people to "get it, and get over it" since March 2020. The best thing anyone can do is live a healthy lifestyle, and the majority will be fine.

Not to challenge the overall idea too hard, but have you thought about what that really means, to say that? If you extend the IFR of, let's say, 1% to the entire population of (let's pick, for example, the US), would it be acceptable to just let 4,000,000 people die and take no mitigating procedures against that happening?

4 million, my mistake, squeezed an extra zero in there.

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Post by mythrwy »

efficax wrote: post #497
TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

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> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

When your "matter of principle" is avoiding a vaccine you're rationalizing an irrational choice through the mask of a "principle". There's no principle involved (personal liberty? do you also refuse to pay taxes, drive without a license, etc. freedom is a complicated thing)

Mandating a medical treatment is in no way similar to mandating one have a drivers license.

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Post by [deleted] »

rhino369 wrote: post #452
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You'll drive yourself crazy focusing on every minor risk for children. COVID risk for unvaxed kids is the same as fully vaxed 40 years and much lower than fully vaxed seniors. If you want to do some productive worrying, figure out how to reduce your child's risk of dying in a car crash. That's much more of a risk. >Moderna was supposed to close out a trial in late November but instead expanded it to hundreds of new p…

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Post by bb123 »

CountDrewku wrote: post #580
bb123 wrote: post #197

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Let the chips fall where they may == “I survived with no consequences so I don’t care what happens to anyone else”

How does anything he does from here on out have any consequence on other people's decisions? Did you just entirely dismiss what he said about catching it? It is not his responsibility to protect you or anyone else. YOU can stay home and isolate if you can't handle being out. Stop putting your burden on everyone else. You (and your ilk) have no right to demand protection from others while putting yourself in harms way…

Im typing this from an airport so im not sure what you mean about not being able to handle going out, or who my ilk is (people haven’t had Covid yet?). The selfish part of his statement is this - because he is no longer personally at risk, he no longer supports any measures to protect those who still are. How hard is that to understand?
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