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Post by BoxOfRain »

chernevik wrote: post #479
spcebar wrote: post #31

Response from the student: https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/ri95tp/in_response_...

Well said: "In my world there's always a place for you; you can disagree with me; you can even insult me; I will not fire back because that is your freedom of expression, however In your world there's no place for me; you want to eliminate me and even my family from the world just because I disagree with your government or your ideology; this is puzzling isn't it?"

Beautifully put, what an excellent way to demonstrate what seperates the authoritarian mindset from the liberal mindset.

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Post by killjoywashere »

ysavir wrote: post #515
Semaphor wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The definition of "freedom" should begin with the freedom from others pushing their negative externalities onto you. While I (European) generally agree with you, this could also be a point against public consumption of alcohol ;)

I think the attitude might be that we should prohibit and punish the behaviors, not the source. If someone is being belligerent or otherwise disruptive in a public space, whether or not they're drinking alcohol should not be a factor. And if someone is drinking alcohol without being disruptive, is there cause to punish or prohibit their behavior?

Except it should be, because alcoholism is in fact a lethal disease all on its own and frequently overlies serious mental health issues, including things like domestic abuse, drunk driving, etc. Where there’s smoke, look for fire.

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Post by sparcpile »

wolverine876 wrote: post #693
dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

> before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. How is the governor of Indiana closer to dealing with international relations? I suspect the president of Purdue does it more, given the international nature…

It wasn't good. During his tenure, he had the university create a deal with Kaplan to brand Kaplan University as Purdue Global and get the Indiana legisture to pass a sweetheart law for it. The result is that Purdue's name as a very good engineering school is mud.

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/purdue-global-got-irs-sta...

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Post by tailspin2019 »

dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

> and he's using the name for an online school Purdue bought.

I've read this several times but not sure what it means - what "name"?

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Post by carabiner »

ecopoesis wrote: post #263
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Whitewashing history to save the economy is certainly an interesting take. Let's be clear: the reason the Chinese government wants to forget and move on from Tiananmen Square is because it threatens their power. The scariest thing for an autocrat is the people realizing that people hold the real power, and that all systems of government only exist because of the consent of the governed (implied in China's case, expli…

Yet the freedom of speech in the US hasn't prevented a gerontocracy of multimillionaires (both in government and outside of it) to preside over a servant class. We have mass incarceration in for-profit prisons whose inhabitants protect California mansions from wildfires, "gig economy workers" without health insurance, and laborers who are effectively indentured servants who cannot leave their jobs without losing health care. In every city on the west coast, the tent cities grow larger by the day.

"At least we can talk about it..." Yes, talk, and talk, and talk. This has come about over decades. How many decades of "freedom" will it take to actually bring change? Could it be that endless debate on Twitter is our modern bread and circuses that will amount to nothing?

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Post by merpnderp »

criddell wrote: post #566
Nevermark wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is better they didn't. Students are not being (considered for) expelled for their views of the Tiananmen Massacre one way or another. Taking any stance on that, in this context, would muddy those waters and make Prudue look like it was doing a political purge. The problem that produced the statement was harassment. Not political views.

Is saying the Tiananmen Massacre happened a political view?

I would think that a government machining gunning down peacefully assembled civilians and then running over the bodies with tanks, then shooting any doctors who attempted to help the wounded, wouldn't be politicized. That we can all agree it is deeply and unquestionably evil.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

azinman2 wrote: post #705
mytailorisrich wrote: post #521

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I did not say that you were arguing. I just pointed out that you were starting a conversation that could lead nowhere pleasant for anyone so your guests probably wisely stirred away from it.

Or, you’re making a ton of conjecture without knowing the situation, the people involved, their relationship, what was actually said, the emotional context, and are forming all of these opinions stated as fact from a few lines of text on an HN comment. I wish people were more charitable on HN, on the internet, and in life.

What was not charitable in simply suggesting an alternative explanation that did not involve fear of retribution? This is a friendly discussion (or so I thought).

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Post by killjoywashere »

BurningFrog wrote: post #319
sschueller wrote: post #248

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I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

Let's compare them: The Tiananmen Square massacre killed off the Chinese democracy movement which challenged the CCP for national power. It set a new course for Chinese government, that it is still more or less on. The Tulsa massacre was a local race riot, with little impact outside Oklahoma.

The area involved was also fairly affluent. There’s a possibility that Black Americans could seen that become a larger enclave, not unlike Atlanta’s Black community. It’s impossible to know which butterfly’s wings might have changed the course of history.

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Post by bmn__ »

inglor_cz wrote: post #302
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #78

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> because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU. Bad assumption. Maybe an unpopular fact, but many sites simply block EU access to avoid potential legal pitfalls of navigating foreign laws. Getting the site compliant would require review from legal teams and work from (likely contracted) web developers, which is almost certainly not in the budget for a side site li…

Within the EU itself, GDPR is rarely enforced. A paper tiger of sorts. Its main meaning is to scare some people straight, but the resources for actual enforcement of its provisions are rather limited. For example, I still receive a lot of commercial spam that advertises in-EU businesses.

> rarely enforced. A paper tiger

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28140406

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