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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by datenarsch »

defaultname wrote: post #441
trts wrote: post #296

The dislike button on YouTube videos is one of the few remaining signals that what you are seeing is propaganda. It hadn't occurred to me that this would happen (although it seems obvious) and it is unexpectedly frightening to me. I suppose the fallback will be videos with comments enabled, where people can 'like' a comment who is saying something common sense and reasonable in response to the content.

I suspect that your notion of what qualifies as propaganda differs significantly from most people. Some subgroups -- motivated groups who seem to have endless free time and a lot of passion to click little arrows and leave comments -- brigade and basically remove any functional utility of likes, dislikes and often even ratings. Hateful groups tend to particularly dominate, and weird agendas dominate. The ultimate sol…

> Some subgroups -- motivated groups who seem to have endless free time and a lot of passion to click little arrows and leave comments -- brigade and basically remove any functional utility of likes, dislikes and often even ratings. Hateful groups tend to particularly dominate, and weird agendas dominate.

And who exactly are these nebulous people? This sounds like something O'Brien from 1984 would say about Emmanuel Goldstein and his followers.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by greatgib »

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Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects:

- shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same.

- the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it.

Imagine if you were voting for something but no one will give you the result of the votation.

Also, strangely they did not do the same experiment with the "like" button to see if there was not a "like attack".

So when I see something like that, I'm thinking that they are now in the dominant position where they don't have to care about their users anymore...

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by bigyellow »

netcan wrote: post #604

The trend continues... Tiktok pushed the passive user experience further, and youtube is following. The ideal is user launches app, the app takes care of everything else. Looking at the downvote count is just an extra thing the user can, might or should do. The trend is to reduce these. Youtube's being trendy.

That's a charitable interpretation. I posit these products are actually designed to further diminish the range of thought and serve to eliminate discontent, resistance and ultimately political opposition.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

bigyellow wrote: post #713
netcan wrote: post #604

The trend continues... Tiktok pushed the passive user experience further, and youtube is following. The ideal is user launches app, the app takes care of everything else. Looking at the downvote count is just an extra thing the user can, might or should do. The trend is to reduce these. Youtube's being trendy.

That's a charitable interpretation. I posit these products are actually designed to further diminish the range of thought and serve to eliminate discontent, resistance and ultimately political opposition.

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by hu3 »

greatgib wrote: post #712

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects: - shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same. - the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it. Imagin…

It seems they want to turn Youtube into a feels-good, positive-vibes platform like Instagram aims to be.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by humanistbot »

kf6nux wrote: post #700
hstan4 wrote: post #686

> Creators: You’ll still be able to find your exact dislike counts in YouTube Studio for each video–only if you’d like to. What creator that wants to produce high quality content wouldn’t want to see how their videos are performing? Total lunacy. All this in response to “dislike attacks” which are likely extremely uncommon. > it’s an important step to reduce behavior that aims to silence and harass creators Can someo…

> [can you reasonably say rallying a mob against someone harasses or silences that person?] Metrics would support that. A large number of humans speak less when they see their speech is unpopular.

> A large number of humans speak less when they see their speech is unpopular.

This is a good thing. Some videos are bad.

People who make content in the public sphere should expect others to engage with it.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by kf6nux »

hstan4 wrote: post #703

If people want to actually argue that a creator can be harassed by a dislike button, why not give the creator the option to disable dislikes for that specific video rather than pushing this onto every video out there?

That's a great point. Hiding the number is a sensible default, but allowing the creators to show it sounds good too. Especially for the common use-case of "how to" videos where a creator may be proud of the ratio.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by phone8675309 »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #22

> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks. ah yes, google looking out for the little folks... someday, a technical solution like not allowing downvotes until a channel gets so many views or subscribers may be feasible, but until then, this will have to suffice

Which is bullshit - the reason they're removing it is _BRANDS_ that are sick of having their poorly thought out, poorly produced, cynical cash-grab trailers be disliked.

Probably told Susan that they'd stop advertising and start suing unless they did this.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by kf6nux »

greatgib wrote: post #712

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects: - shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same. - the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it. Imagin…

I suspect their dataset was direct link dislikes. I.e. people who arrived at YouTube from another site at a specific video who dislike the video. That's the characteristic of a coordinated dislike campaign.

> the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it

That was exactly the point. They didn't want the attack mobs seeing the fruits of their labor, making it feel useless, making fewer people mob.

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