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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#712Lets not forget Spotify podcasts has injected ads for premium users. Sorry, but that's a no-go.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#713This seemed like the obvious trap he was going to fall into. I used to listen to him when he interviewed someone I was interested in. I even installed Spotify so I can access his podcast. In practice, because I don’t use Spotify for anything else, I have simply forgotten about him.
I've installed Spotify only to discover that podcasts are not available in Russia at all.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#714Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, so don't listen to those episodes. I, on the other hand, like hearing both sides so I can make an informed decision on why I disagree with whomever. 'So and so is bad, I heard it from X' has never been good for any human society. Pretending the episodes don't exist is rewriting history. 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' Personal point- if I saw Alex Jones personally I would not w…
Nobody has a right to be heard. He has a right to speak. People like Rogan have a megaphone and are choosing who to give it to. Would you choose Alex Jones?
Sure, Alex Jones is a crackpot but why should you, or anyone for that matter, be allowed to prevent others from speaking to an audience that has decided to listen?
What do you expect to happen when the balance of power, majority opinion, etc inevitably shifts and we find ourselves on the other side?
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#715This is worth a closer look at the material mechanics of the Spotify UI and all of the issues, because it seems from the comments this is a big deal.
I wonder how much just the discoverability of content on YouTube, and pictures of people, lends to actionable interaction. How about merely just the audience size, bringing in both new listeners, but also those of us who might have thought we were 'listeners' but really we just consistently came across the content, and listened to it, more like interested random action than conscientious 'following' of a podcast.
Or the various other issues with Spotify UI, or even just it's more or less audio vs. video focus (maybe people really do like seeing Joe and guests).
Or the visual snippets that made nice tweets.
Or possibly just a natural change in popularity not driven by anything other than a decline of a big meme.
It'd really be interesting to see more comprehensive breakdown it would tell us a lot about content in 2021.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#716Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley
Rejecting people that promote the "Sandy Hook was fake!" conspiracy theory and even harassing the parents of murdered children isn't a way to avoid offending the "progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley". It's just common decency. ... Can we at least set the bar at that level -- that we _don't_ harass the parents of murdered children for clicks?
who are 'we' to be the gatekeepers?
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#717Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…
Yep. They were suckers for putting their podcasts on "RSS Feeds". All media is becoming the Netflix model. Spotify saw that as the new goldrush and was first to act. Now they all are. It's not great for the customer... Yet. Maybe podcasting will continue to explode and we'll see a jump in quality, like we did with podcasts like Serial.
Podcasts follow a predictable trend, almost always. Someone really interesting and very well-informed has a lot of stuff to say that they've been stewing over for a decade or more. 100-200 episodes in, they've gotten it off their chest and you have to find someone else.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#718Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…
Yeah, I’m a paying spotify customer and I hate this. And I also hate that the spotify client seamlessly mixes podcasts with music in its recommendations. It’s like a PM somewhere at spotify was offered a cash bonus based on how many podcast listens happen, and they decided that making the app trick people into playing podcasts was a profitable idea. It breaks trust, and makes the spotify app feel adversarial. Like I…
I’ve been using Deezer for over a year now and have never looked back. Amazing audio quality, DRM free files, decent API, good app, amazing catalogue.
Used its API to build https://audile.app which has completely changed my relationship with music.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#719Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is naïve. Taking Sandy Hook as the example, do you think Alex Jones' discussion on Rogan increased or decreased its spread? It's very easy to pick up new conspiracies for a conspiracy-minded person. It's very hard to drop them.
And keeping Jones off of Rogan would've accomplished what? Someone who thinks the gummint is out to git 'em would believe a different 'gummint is out to gitcha' conspiracy theory instead? I don't think you can win that battle. The 'Proctor & Gamble are satan worshipers' meme spread across the country before the internet existed. You can't stop people from spreading nonsense, but engaging with and ridiculing nonsense…
>You can't stop people from spreading nonsense, but engaging with and ridiculing nonsense at least makes sure the counter-memes exist, when someone is ready to hear them.
You can do both. There is evidence that deplatforming works. It isn't perfectly effective, but not giving cranks access to the biggest megaphones and most virulent information-spreading engines in human history does in fact seem to inhibit their ability to spread. Doing so doesn't stop anyone from engaging with or ridiculing them.
But, point of order, we've been "engaging and ridiculing" for years now, it hasn't worked yet. Everyone says sunlight is the best disinfectant, but as far as I can see, this particular strain of infection feeds on sunlight.