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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

Facebook won because people from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland could not only connect with friends in their domestic and neighboring countries but because they could connect with friends all around the globe. That's what pretty much happened all around the world with FB/IG or in one word standardization.

Not only that. Even thought VZ always showed impressive numbers it always was kinda niche. Definitely not as widespread as some comments make it out to be.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

I'm not sure about the allegations, but this certainly does not match my experience -- I have seen an incredibly diverse set of people in my FYP feed. (I wish YouTube had content discovery like TikTok -- YouTube seems to always want to steer me to either something that's an exact clone of the last thing I watched, or something that's just dumb and super-popular. TikTok is amazing at ferreting out all kinds of veins o…

I don't know if TikTok has a better discovery algorithm - I think its just able to feed you with more videos in a set of time. A 1 minute average video time lets you recommend 10 times more videos than a platform with a 10 minute average video.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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>Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread >And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement I can't love this enough. Thank you. >Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. I didn't know it could get better, b…

Your response did not have enough italics, I couldn't interpret it.

Yes! Thank you for this input :)

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Yeah, no. TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred. I've learned more about these subjects (and myself!) than from most other sources. The value of TikTok for me was that it linked up a bunch of neurodivergent/lgbtq+ people into a vibrant, supportive community. Honestly, if they decide t…

TikTok has a lot going for it as a platform, but you should always understand a company's motivations when using their product. TikTok wants you to spend more time with your digital friends, because they make money from peppering ads in your experience with them. So sure, much like Facebook, Twitter or any other platform with the same business model, they will tacitly encourage users to spend as much time as possible…

Just wanted to add: aside from assumptions you seem to be making about me and my usage of TikTok, I agree with your points.

>TikTok is stepping on the exact same banana peel

I wouldn't count on TikTok being great in a few years too.

But what I've seen with many products, platforms, and ideas is that something good comes along, perishes, and then the uniquely good parts are gone for good because people didn't get what was good specifically, and so nobody took the torch to carry it forward.

When Facebook started, the novel idea was creating a social network that connected people who already had something in common: namely, going to the same school. That's why it blew up. Because it facilitated bonding within those communities.

It was exclusive by design (no .edu email = no Facebook, not same school = no seeing info), and that's what made it great for the initial wave of users that made it big.

TikTok blew up for a similar reason. It connects people who are already related in some way really well: either by a common interest, or - as in the case I am highlighting - by sharing the experiences of being adults with ADHD / ASD / OCD / BPD / depression / anxiety / burnout / trauma / abuse etc -- a demographic for which it's hard to connect (and be open!) with people in general, people who can't relate doubly so (and unless you know someone really well, it's not something that you can openly discuss in this society).

This is the idea I want to highlight. I want that on other platforms. I want someone to make it when TikTok goes down the drain. And so far, few seem to understand what it is that TikTok gave us -- so we might be left without a platform again in a few years.

Which would suck.

>Nobody's telling you that you can't like TikTok

Many people in the thread shamed me for liking TikTok. If you scroll up, I've been accused of (quote):

* being an addict to parasocial relationships with content creators (with many implying that I only consume that content)

* enabling oppression and exploitation of underprivileged content creators

* etc

So yes, people here are literally telling me that it's bad to like using TikTok, equating it to a moral transgression.

>There are healthier, less destructive ways to surround yourself with the content you love, trust me.

It's not about content. It's about people.

And what basis do you have for telling me to trust you here? Do you have credentials in mental health to back that up, or are you just being patronizing? Relatable experience? Genuinely curious.

Note that I am not telling anyone here what they should do, I only give my perspective as a user of the platform.

But if you do know of "less destructive" ways, pray, do tell, how would one go about connecting to a couple of dozen people who would be willing to openly talk (with voice! while showing their faces!) about how they experienced the symptoms of surviving narcissistic abuse, how they spotted it within themselves, and what helps them personally?

Without paying a dime, I must add?

I'll be checking this comment for responses, because either I'll learn something new (great!), or I see no response, and conclude that you learned something new (even better!).

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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> That's like saying that providing people with groceries is the secondary purpose of grocery stores, the first being collecting money in exchange for them. No, not really. Like Facebook or Google, TikTok's revenue comes from selling ads. The advertisement business quite literally is based on how much personal info they can gather on yourself, and how they can leverage it to allow themselves and third parties to expl…

In case I didn't make it clear, providing data about yourself and making yourself more "vulnerable" to advertisers is the currency you pay with for using the platform. As far as I care, letting random people know random facts about me so that they're more likely to peddle me stuff that I actually like is not "exploitation", but that's merely an opinion.

You have almost no control over what information you're giving them though. It's more like having to pay the mob for "protection" and then turning to me and saying, "What? That's the price for safety in this neighborhood. I'm choosing to pay."

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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> That's like saying that providing people with groceries is the secondary purpose of grocery stores, the first being collecting money in exchange for them. No, not really. Like Facebook or Google, TikTok's revenue comes from selling ads. The advertisement business quite literally is based on how much personal info they can gather on yourself, and how they can leverage it to allow themselves and third parties to expl…

The way you phrase that it sounds like these social media companies black mail you with dirty secrets they learn about you. I understand why people don't want to be packaged and sold, but a realistic view is that you're getting a service subsidized by all of this.

Estimates are that Facebook makes $30 per user per year. Personally, I would gladly pay $30 per year for the same service if it kept my data secure.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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> Like, sure, let's take it as a given that TikTok will become undeniably evil in 4 years. What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? Simple - not use it. It's entertainment. There are more suitable alternatives (reading books, watching movies, etc.) that have far less evil externalities. > You need to understand what makes it better/unique to build better alternatives that at least won't be heavily influenced b…

Look, you still aren't addressing the issues I'm raising. >> What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? > Simple - not use it. You are not using it already . Didn't stop TikTok from getting to the #1 spot. Saying "it's bad, don't use it" works about as well as abstinence-only sex-ed. >I think the point there is that until a new biz model comes up for social media there is always an incentive to abuse privacy (Fa…

Once again, appreciate your use of italics. Ain't nobody gonna read the whole thing.

Summarizing, "you, switch, already, whom, should, should not". Did I miss anything?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Look, you still aren't addressing the issues I'm raising. >> What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? > Simple - not use it. You are not using it already . Didn't stop TikTok from getting to the #1 spot. Saying "it's bad, don't use it" works about as well as abstinence-only sex-ed. >I think the point there is that until a new biz model comes up for social media there is always an incentive to abuse privacy (Fa…

Once again, appreciate your use of italics. Ain't nobody gonna read the whole thing. Summarizing, "you, switch, already, whom, should, should not". Did I miss anything?

Yes, you missed the guidelines for commenting on this forum.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Yeah, no. TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred. I've learned more about these subjects (and myself!) than from most other sources. The value of TikTok for me was that it linked up a bunch of neurodivergent/lgbtq+ people into a vibrant, supportive community. Honestly, if they decide t…

I'd love to hear your long list of reasons why. This is coming from someone who has heard of Tik Tok but has never used it. I'm a late adopter to social platforms, joining Twitter in 2014 and not really using it until last year.

OK, I have responded to many people in this thread.

The TL;DR is that TikTok connects people who are facing the same struggles, which really helps with dealing with them.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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> Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. This is not unlike how the power that be in China do their business. Harmony at all costs, even if it means suppressing those who got screwed over.

Pretty sick of people who haven't used TikTok spreading bullshit like this. TikTok might just be the queerest and most inclusive platform on the internet today. Maybe y'all should actually try it before spreading misinformation.

> TikTok might just be the queerest and most inclusive platform on the internet today.

No, TikTok merely suggests what you are actively looking for. If you're creating a new account and don't look up other kind of content then you will see a lot less of it, especially in the "default" videos.

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