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Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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I think I am going to make Riju clone next weekend, got a name even: Disreplty.

I think we should flood the internet with replit clones :) How much money would they want to invest in lawyers?

Honestly there's no need? There's thousands anyway?

As OP says any value add is about accounts and sharing and whatever, the code-running in a browser functionality is two a penny.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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> we’re also excited to announce one of the first (of many!) projects that Amjad has worked on with us: Codecademy Labs, the easiest way to play with JavaScript, Ruby, and Python online I'll just leave this here so we can all bask in the insane hypocrisy of this entire episode. https://www.codecademy.com/resources/blog/amjad-joins-codeca... Edit: See Amjad's response below – seems Repl.it may have pre-dated this hiri…

That was a clone of Replit that we made work at Codecademy. I started working on Replit (or repl.it) back when I was a student in Jordan. I didn't have a laptop so every time I wanted to get some programming done I had to setup a development environment at the university or at work. The idea for Replit was when you needed a repl to do some coding you should easily get one from anywhere including a mobile device. I th…

repl.it has been a project I've admired and recommended for a long time. The same can be said for many members of this community.

A few reasons why there's so much anger, in my estimation:

- When you support a project, you want its leaders to embody decent values.

- You have always projected an image of someone who's "nice" and doing things right. You cannot bully your intern in private and keep that image.

- Most importantly, you are now in the Goliath position and you are acting tyrannically. It's hard to side with someone going "I have raised $20M and I will use it to crush you" to their previous intern. The fact that you did not explain your concerns, jumped straight to legal threats, and did not want to talk after the project was taken down looks quite bad. If you had approached it in a more diplomatic fashion, you would not be public enemy #1 on HN.

Understand the position you're in. You wield a big stick; speak softly.

P.S. it's perfectly understandable that you'd have concerns about the project, though IMHO it's an overreaction. That's not the issue. The issue is _how_ you approached it.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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Appalling and completely unacceptable behavior from a company so committed to being a conduit for open-source innovation. Slightly unrelated: I used to shamelessly promote repl.it a couple years ago, but no longer do because their app has become so bloated and hard to use that it's discouraging to beginners -- recently I tried to remotely help a non-technical friend w/ an assignment and we must've spent ~20 minutes d…

I only want something with slightly less friction than a jupyter notebook but better for controlled editing that an ipython shell. Something that doesnt make any files on my filesystem or anything else that I have to clean up later. That's why I'm looking for an online repl!

Okay, I can live with having to be logged in because it keeps me logged in for a long time, but do I really need to figure out what I want to call this "project" which is two functions and a print that I never want the world to see?

For a few glorious years, repl.it was exactly what I wanted when it came to writing derpy little one-off functions.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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I naturally sympathize with underdogs and this seems a classic case of bullying and power abuse. That said, this trend where such disputes are made public including personal details continues to shock me. It must be my European perspective. In particular, just screen grabbing personal conversations and publishing them to the world without permission, with the person's full name, and then adding accusations...I find a…

Not personal details. It was relevant [professional] correspondence and you can see how professional the student was. In contrast to the CEO, who said along the lines - we got a lot of money and we have lawyers.

Somebody name and photo are personal details. Combined with a public post including accusations means a wide open attack on somebody's character.

Don't get me wrong, in no way would I defend that guy or any of his words. That's not the point. My point is that private communications are expected to remain private, even more so in a work dispute.

Or so is my belief. Which seems an outdated belief.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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Vote me down, but Ycombinator: "It's all about the founders blah blah blah" - if their process finds and funds these kind of people, the process is broken. https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/repl-it

Yeah, holding a VC fund and accelerator responsible for every tantrum thrown by one of their proteges is worth a downvote. This kind of catastrophizing doesn't contribute. For one thing, you jumped from "this kind of person" to "these kind of people", without supporting evidence. Do you have a process which can identify, in advance, everyone who is going to be an asshole to a former intern? While picking enough winne…

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Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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The CEO is actually worried that this weekend project will make it hard for replit to raise fundings from investors because it makes it look like there is no moat to hosting hundreds of programming languages. The investors don't know that the code here doesn't scale.

Also, there is no moat. As far as I know, there are no major protected intellectual properties, technical or business learning curves, regulatory hurdles, intensive capitalization requirements, economies of scale... I suppose there may be some amount of network effect, but not so much that it's hard to imagine a competitor struggling to overcome it.

Doesn't seem to stop a lot of products when they target B2B or enterprise for whom the value proposition is actually the marketing, support, layers of regulatory compliance etc that they add. LastPass is an example. Whether Replit is doing that I don't know, but its a real model. Not, however one that is vulnerable to weekend projects.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#717

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I'm with you on this, reading the article I can't help but think the author is being intentionally naive about the situation and feelings on both sides. If anything, to me this reads like viral marketing to get the project off the ground. The author builds a clone of a product for a former company, shares the project with the CEO, and expects them to be happy with it? And "out of nowhere" they are suddenly displeased…

> If anything, to me this reads like viral marketing to get the project off the ground. That's assuming it is a "project" to "get off the ground" in the first place. What gave you the impression that this was something the author was going to try and take commercial? I never got that impression. > It's a fair point that several other competitors copy the UI and I'm not suggesting this is illegal or disallowed But you…

> That's assuming it is a "project" to "get off the ground" in the first place. What gave you the impression that this was something the author was going to try and take commercial? I never got that impression.

Experience. It's all too easy to say "oh I didn't _plan_ to make a business" and later on say "well with this overwhelming support I'd be stupid _not_ to make it a business."

> But you are suggesting it was that way around. I didn't quite see that either; on the contrary, I got a kind of distinct impression that some of these other projects predate Replit, including its UI design.

Oh sorry I did not mean to suggest Replit was the original creator of this UI, as you mentioned it looks like they all copy each other, I'll update my post. That's beside my point though. I will point out it's rather disingenuous of the author to not include a side-by-side comparison of Riju/Replit, instead he posts pictures of some other projects.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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post #682

> we’re also excited to announce one of the first (of many!) projects that Amjad has worked on with us: Codecademy Labs, the easiest way to play with JavaScript, Ruby, and Python online I'll just leave this here so we can all bask in the insane hypocrisy of this entire episode. https://www.codecademy.com/resources/blog/amjad-joins-codeca... Edit: See Amjad's response below – seems Repl.it may have pre-dated this hiri…

That was a clone of Replit that we made work at Codecademy. I started working on Replit (or repl.it) back when I was a student in Jordan. I didn't have a laptop so every time I wanted to get some programming done I had to setup a development environment at the university or at work. The idea for Replit was when you needed a repl to do some coding you should easily get one from anywhere including a mobile device. I th…

No one is assuming anything. That's your email there where you bullied the guy. You could have been nice about it but instead you wanted to intimidate him by threatening to sue him. If you wanna make this right I think you should acknowledge that you overreacted and apologize to him.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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Reading this part really made my head shake. Attacking a former intern like that, why would anyone want to intern there after this?

Who would want to use replit after reading that? They might have just killed their company. All it would really take is for this guy to put his site back up and add shared links.

The other day, someone mentioned avoiding Chinese products and I argued it is not an easy thing to do. But sites like these? Easy decision. After this circus/drama, this site goes into my don't even visit the URL list. What a shitty behavior.
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