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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kingnothing »

mywittyname wrote: post #207
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

The Siemens US2 VersiCharge is a pretty popular consumer charger that's designed to be weatherproof. I have one in my garage, but I've seen them installed in parking lots for commercial use, too.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bananabreakfast »

jcims wrote: post #677
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I’ve lived in rural communities for 95% of my life. There are times when I really think that electoral college is obsolete and should go away, but all it takes is a thread like this where I just see comments from adults that seem wholly uninformed and underexposed to basic aspects of living outside of metropolitan environments. Yes, by itself, doesn’t really bother me as I am certainly a group of the inverse in many…

So are you in essence stating that because metropolitan people do not understand the needs of rural life that they deserve for their votes to continue to be worth less? Even despite rural people not understanding metropolitan life to the same degree?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by linuxftw »

dsr_ wrote: post #77
endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

Look, if people made rational decisions all the time, economics would be a real predictive science. Based on utility, most minivans beat all SUVs in tasks not involving going off-road. Minivans definitely beat pickup trucks for moving people, and often for moving stuff -- but not always. Purchasing a vehicle in the USA is only partially based on function, for most people. Price and culture figure in a lot more.

Depends on the "SUV" you're referring to. Full size SUVs like the Suburban can tow heavy loads, have lots more storage capacity, have actual 4wd (snow), and generally have a powertrain that's going to outlast a minivan.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mcguire »

hwbehrens wrote: post #559
rspeele wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of "you don't need that!" judgement is weird. I guess it's just a matter of degree though. Here in the southeast US if somebody drives a pickup instead of a sedan or minivan or whatever, it doesn't register as unusual or excessive. I don't think twice about it, it's just another kind of vehicle. But then again, I do notice (and sometimes make fun) if they've got a lift kit on it, tow mirrors when I've never…

> I do notice (and sometimes make fun) if [...] I think this is the key point in the whole thread. I have no idea how many people who live on my street have pickups -- I've never noticed. The only pickups I notice are the ones which are "coal rolling", have multiple flagpoles flying political slogans in the bed, or are lifted so far I have clear sightlines beneath them. I have never seen a "coal rolling" Honda Accord…

How about the Honda with an 8" diameter tailpipe that sounds like it's behind a poorly-tuned, asthmatic turbine?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by igetspam »

itsoktocry wrote: post #443
igetspam wrote: post #212

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I've owned and driven a handful of trucks. Ranger sized trucks feel the least useful. Can't tow much. Can't haul much. Can't get into muck. Can't hold many people. Aerodynamics of a brick. An electric F150 is compelling. We just upgraded to a new one because we need the tow capacity and the F150 beat out the F250s we were looking at. It's a great size and checks all the boxes.

> Can't get into muck. Huh? The shorter/narrower wheel base is better in any off-roading situation.

That's a strong statement. Heavier vehicles do better in snow because they fit in better. Trucks with more ground clearance can get up and over things that smaller trucks can't. If we're just talking about rock crawling, sure. If we're talking about practical use cases and messy conditions, I'll keep torque and weight on my side.

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Post by cheeze »

hintymad wrote: post #569
hintymad wrote: post #537

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> burn your house down while wearing a MAGA hat or something. That's not what I saw last year and this year on news channel. I saw "mostly peaceful" protests, or so CNN/WaPo/NYT/MSNBC/ABC told me, from justice warriors. And I don't why those media were not sticking to the truth, as everything has been peaceful. Just as my trusted author of The 1619 Project said: "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not vio…

Since when stating facts deserves downvote? Did the media not say the protests were "most peaceful"? Was it not CNN reporter who said the exact words in front of a burning building? Did Nicole Hanna-Jones not say "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence"? Was it not justice warriors (I use it as a neutral word, as it does not makes sense to use left vs right) who protested last year? What did I mi…

Because you're being disengenuous. Pretty simple.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cheeze »

andykellr wrote: post #622
cheeze wrote: post #558

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> transparent info and pricing TSLA literally lies about the cost of the car on their website though. "* Costs above include potential incentives and gas savings of $4,300." Gas savings... What? This isn't some special tax credit you get, they lie about their pricing by including savings over time of ownership...

I'm not sure how you consider it lying to have an asterisk that clearly explains their calculation along with a slider that says Potential savings with said asterisk. That same asterisk is on every mention of the price on the page.

Asterisk = read the fine print... That to me is super deceptive. Tell me the acutal price of the car that I'm going to pay. Hell, include a rebate if I'm gonna get it in the next year. But gas savings over life of the vehicle is an absurd way to psychologically trick people.

You don't see the prius product page saying "well actually it's cheaper because it's a hybrid, you save 2300 over the life of the vehicle on gas!" No, they just tell you what the damn car costs.

Tsla is doing many things right, but that's just a perfect example of some of their deception, which I don't love.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by driverdan »

driverdan wrote: post #357
hannasanarion wrote: post #340

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> The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. Crumple zones don't help pedestrians. The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers. The hood is so tall and long that they're talking about putting forward-facing cameras inside the cab because you can't see anything in front of you shorter than 6" tall out the windshield. If Ford was interested in…

> The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers. Citation needed

Since I'm getting downvoted I figured I'd post the numbers.

New F-150 Lightning curb weight estimate is 6500 lbs.

H1 is 7200-7500 lbs.

H2 is 6400-6600 lbs.

The F-150 is a couple feet longer but both the H1 and H2 are wider and taller.

Use those numbers to make your own determination. F-150 specs are from here: https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by francoisp »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Totally unrelated: has anyone noticed that the bar on the F in the FORD logo ends with an e? It has been like that for a while. I remember reading somewhere that Henry Ford had forecasted that transportation was going to be all electric in the future; maybe related? Anyway, I think the demand for this will take them by suprise, and incidently, CT and Rivian need to get those factories churning quick.
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