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70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sillycon-valley »

dang wrote: post #697
sillycon-valley wrote: post #662

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How dare he have a Russian wife or travel. This is a perfect example of the conspiracies of the left. edit: downvote/flag all you want, the article he linked to is terribly written and makes giant leaps in logic. edit: dang shadowbanned me and not the conspiracy post above me. dang you are a 50cent super solider aren't you. how are we supposed to not talk about politics in a political post? half of the frontpage are…

It's against the rules to use this site primarily for ideological battle, and we ban accounts that do it, regardless of which ideology they're battling for. We have to, because it's the primary thing that destroys the curious conversation this site exists for. I've therefore banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. Yes, the rules are just the same for the opposite ideological side.…

You banned the account I replied to right? I was pointing out the conspiracy post...

EDIT - because of rate limiting:

I've posted in both technical articles and political articles.

There have been a lot of political articles recently with the tech bans. I cannot help that.

Most of my comments are about freedom of speech, not really a political ideology.

I did not create an account to feed hellfire, I created an account to voice my opinion and debate from the other side because I see such one-sided arguments.

This is why you have an echo-chamber.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by willejs »

willejs wrote: post #417

This wasn't leaked, it was archived from public sources. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25727025

See original author clarifying this wasnt a leak or a hack. https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348666166978424832

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by BlueTemplar »

scythe wrote: post #407
BlueTemplar wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those aren't exclusive, hacker doesn't necessarily have a bad connotation (see "white hat").

In my original post I didn't want to use the word "hacker" to mean "breaker-into of systems" while posting on a site called Hacker News . But my point wasn't that people can't have their credentials revoked for doing bad things, my point was that if actual security researchers -- say, a team from some university or prominent firm -- had done this, we would be having a very different conversation right now. We might s…

Ok, sorry for being pedantic.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by generalk »

neartheplain wrote: post #505
generalk wrote: post #482

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> I suggest we all stop comparing these things. Agreed, they are comparable only in superficial ways which remove context vital to the understanding of both events. One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. The other group protested/rioted by breaking into the Capitol and threatening to murder politici…

One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. If "protesting/rioting" includes gunning down unarmed black kids in the street (third link above), count me out. This is a highly flammable topic and we seem unlikely to agree, so I'd prefer we pause here.

I'd challenge the assertion you're making here -- again, it is reductive to reduce the entirety of the nationwide protests against police murders to a handful of cherry-picked instances of violence. You're doing that and then dismissing the entire issue because of it, which is intellectually dishonest, which you already know.

You aren't giving the same treatment to the the other side here -- you're not saying "if keeping people safe means the police should be allowed to murder folks / bludgeoning a police officer to death when storming the capitol" so I find it difficult to believe you're merely concerned about the use of violence.

You did, several comments up, state "the assault on the capitol was an unprecedented attack on democracy," which it was, but that's after posting multiple links where you're posting links and evidence trying to discredit the nationwide BLM protests by painting them as violent, so again, your bias is evident.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by AnHonestComment »

Benjmhart wrote: post #655
thomastjeffery wrote: post #39

When you purposefully leak private data, you no longer get to hide behind the title "Security Researcher".

The vast majority of this data was posted publicly. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

You have a copyright protection against other people posting your messages for their benefit.

Anyone who wanted to claim their posts could DMCA them.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Traster »

quotemstr wrote: post #670
tekstar wrote: post #625

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Illegal. Some of the content on Parler was illegal. Not extralegal. Illegal. And they refused to moderate it when asked. Some if it has the risk of ending up judged treasonous as well, and that's all that matters to a risk averse company.

The claim I see over and over is that broad swaths of speech on Parler were illegal. It's not true. Repeating it doesn't make it so. "Insurrection" --- a call to overthrow the government --- is 100% legal speech in the US under the Brandenburg precedent. You don't get to call a company's refusal to go beyond the law in enforcing speech a form of treason.

I decided to look it up

>The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"

I would say it's pretty clear that the speech we're talking about incited or produced imminent lawlessness. If you were following the various platforms that these groups were organising on it was very clear that they were inciting lawless action on the 6th- which of course was demonstrated on the 6th. It's also important to understand this didn't stop on the 6th, those same people are now talking about the 20th with similar suggestions.

Brandenburg seems to protect basically idle talk - but that's very clearly not what's happening here.

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Post by thymorningafter »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #700
Kaze404 wrote: post #653

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Can you name any left-leaning communities that promote "unmoderated" free-speech? As someone who's in many left-leaning communities, this would be news to me and I'm genuinely curious to how it works.

I don’t know about “communities”, but there were definitely many people calling for violence at BLM protests and marches in 2020.

The difference being that BLM movement actually has many decades (centuries?) of concrete evidence of racial injustice and oppression compared to the baseless claims of voter fraud and a supposed stolen election.

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Post by hertzrat »

Reedx wrote: post #587
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

> but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity Am I missing something? What are you referring to exactly? The mod tools screenshot doesn't support that assertion.

Agreed. Maybe the problem is that everyone uses badly organized and ambiguous Twitter threads as citation sources lately. It’s not a good platform for that, you literally don’t have the character counts to explain something

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Post by jeanvaljean2463 »

franklampard wrote: post #698
balls187 wrote: post #681

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Took me less than 30 seconds to type in a racial slur into Twitter's search bar and find it. And I don't even have a twitter account.

If you report them they don’t get removed on Twitter? Without a Twitter account you claim that Twitter has the same vile content?

You can report, but it takes weeks sometimes for the content to get actioned.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by hertzrat »

liminal wrote: post #475
tomp wrote: post #471

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Based on the screenshot you linked to, their "moderation" categories are "spam", "ads", "impersonation", "defamation", "nudity", "pornography", "illegal", "terrorism", "trademark" and "threat". Can you please explain how they use that to "ensure ideological conformity in their posts"?

In the tweet text it says "all new users start out shadowbanned until enough of their post get approved for rightthink by their user moderators"

Hackernews starts you off shadowbanned too. It’s a way to ward off spammers and bots. I know because this account started off shadow banned for 1-2 weeks until I had made 5-10 posts. Edit: Why in earth is this getting downvoted so heavily? Every new account everyone I know ever made was shadow banned at first
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