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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by NE2z2T9qi »

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

And what do you think would have happened to Minneapolis or the Portland courthouse or the White House during the summer riots if there had not been a more competent security response? What happened at the Capitol was serious. So was what happened over the summer. But over the summer I heard nothing by "mostly peaceful protests" as literally billions of dollars of damage was caused and numerous deaths were racked up. Captiol protesters break some windows and I hear nothing but "violent rioting insurrectionists".

Back during the summer, Trump being secured in a shelter because of the riot security risk was LAUGHED at by the left. They accused him of being a coward for being taken to a bunker due to the risk of BLM protesters who burned a church across from the White House. Where's the same media laughing at the Congressional representatives fleeing from the people they're supposed to represent?

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #571

What happened to Silicon Valley? Just a few years ago, something like this would have triggered libertarian-leaning outrage, especially on HN. Remember the vigorous defenses on here of Backpage? Suddenly everyone’s clutching their pearls and cheering bans that are increasingly broad and unfocused.

Wait, I'm missing the connection between this and libertarianism. Libertarians vigorously oppose both antitrust and public interference with private companies. A libertarian looks at what AWS is doing and shrugs: the market will sort this out.

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Post by trianglem »

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

First the came for the fascists and we didn’t say anything... and then they stopped because having more people on their platform is actually good for business. It actually a pretty well balanced situation from a game theory perspective.

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Post by throwaway201103 »

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

Because if there was one thing it wasn't, it wasn't an "existential threat to the republic." Hyperbole like this make it hard to talk about the rest of it reasonably. It was a protest gone off the rails, with a few bad actors, and an embarrasing lack of preparedness by the Capitol Police on that day of all days, given what has been going on all year.

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Post by one2know »

Its fascinating how these companies think they are fighting against some radical revolutionaries. All the Trump supporters they are scared to death of are ordinary people all over the country. There are not hundreds, or thousands, or tens of thousands. There are tens of millions. Right now this looks like a very small set of scared shitless tech companies and politicians that are overreacting when they finally had to meet people outside their bubble. This will hurt these company's businesses unimaginably. Their uptime whent from 5 nines to no nines.

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Post by dpeterson »

Listen to yourselves in your echo chamber of the left try to justify this. Q-tards and Antifa stormed the capital. The people you so righteously call racist and seditious are not and did nothing of the sort. What Antifa and a few Q-tards did on Jan. 6 doesn't discredit the fact the establishment politicians and our corporate overlords have sold out to China and don't want to be held accountable and would prefer to follow their script to divert attention to the bad orange man's behavior. When Antifa burns multiple cities to the ground they're the good guys but Schumer supposedly "survived pearl harbor" because patriots had their own movement and are trying to remind the actual corrupt politicians they work for us and not the globalists and China trying to keep us all locked down forever, fighting one another.

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Post by one2know »

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

They are scared. scared shitless.

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Post by jlj »

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

> The western liberal value of free speech has never extended to incitement of violence

Here is the court precedence behind this in the US.

"Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[1] The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action""

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

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Post by aluminum96 »

ve55 wrote: post #246

It was only two hours ago when I wrote: "I'm curious if this will also escalate to low-level platforms (will hosting companies, registrars, or even ISPs start taking similar actions on a regular basis?)" when Apple removed the app, following Google Play from yesterday. It would seem this cycle is certainly not done perpetuating itself as of yet. I think we are going to have some rough times ahead of us unfortunately.…

I think we should worry less about those users who are already radicalized, and more about those who would have been if Parler remained.
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