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‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by thu2111 »

slg wrote: post #670
thu2111 wrote: post #627

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And how do you define discrimination if intent doesn't matter? If decisions don't matter then the only way to define discrimination is via observed results: if you have no black employees, it must be discrimination, even if nobody ever actually discriminated in an objective way. Which means you'd be punished for not matching some theoretical demographics. The whole notion is ridiculous. The fact that California takes…

You seem to be acting as this is some new extreme leftist view of discrimination. This comes from Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You can find all the details and definitions here[1]. [1] - https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-196...

Affirmative action has always been a racist hypocrisy. The fact that there have always been leftists campaigning for it is irrelevant, as it's by far more common. America is indeed structurally racist: against whites and (sometimes) Asians. The fact that this has a long history doesn't make recent trends any more acceptable.

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Post by worker767424 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #278
worker767424 wrote: post #227

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> I work at a FAANG and a massive percentage of employees are rabidly anti-racist, and wouldn't stand for anything like that. I get nervous when I make a comment about Zoom being insecure because it's Chinese around Chinese coworkers, and I can at least point to its bad track record on security and how Five Eyes members are treating Huawei.

I'm not sure I fully understand your point, but it might be worth adjusting your language a little bit to account for a quirk of our language(in that Chinese could refer to the nationality, or the government): I assume your problem with Zoom is its association with the CCP , and not just that it is merely Chinese.

That's a good point: it's specifically CCP involvement, and language doesn't differentiate that well. It doesn't help that the CCP is the only game in town. It's hard not to be involved with the CCP in China.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by slg »

thu2111 wrote: post #711
slg wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be acting as this is some new extreme leftist view of discrimination. This comes from Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You can find all the details and definitions here[1]. [1] - https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-196...

Affirmative action has always been a racist hypocrisy. The fact that there have always been leftists campaigning for it is irrelevant, as it's by far more common. America is indeed structurally racist: against whites and (sometimes) Asians. The fact that this has a long history doesn't make recent trends any more acceptable.

No one was talking about affirmative action, but ok.

And you reveal your true motivation when you say something like "America is indeed structurally racist: against whites". No one with any semblance of objectivity would agree with that.

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Post by bergstromm466 »

throw27145 wrote: post #603
tptacek wrote: post #386

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Several centuries worth of deeply ingrained racism?

Maybe, but I think there is more to that. As a personal example, I have immigrated into US from the country with almost no black population, so I'd say that "several centuries of deeply ingrained racism" do not apply to me. Within the first year of arriving into US, I've had been verbally attacked while I was riding the bus and reading the book. A bunch of teenagers started to say things like "he looks too smart" and…

> Can you guess which race were those teenagers?

Do you come on Hackernews every 2 years to write racist things? Your last comment is from 2018 and has the same white supremacist talking point.

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thu2111 wrote: post #590
enumjorge wrote: post #464

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You took one example and ignored the rest. It’s not like NYT wrote this article simply because Russ left. What about the employees who were asked to be present for photo shoots to show workplace diversity but who felt ignored and talked down to during meetings? That sounds problematic. If it were a couple of employees it’s one thing but when most of your black employees leave because of what they feel is racism in th…

They probably wrote it because Coinbase stood up to BLM activists internally and the NYT is the media arm of BLM. But you get these accusations constantly against companies. "I felt ignored in meetings therefore the firm is sexist and racist". No, that happens to people all the time, including white men. A better explanation is maybe you weren't saying anything worth listening to in meetings, or you feel you were but…

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Post by CryptoPunk »

jahaja wrote: post #686
CryptoPunk wrote: post #685

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>>Come on. You've cherry-picked a single vague line from the preamble of that article because it's so general that it also fits your narrow definition. The rest of the article goes on about the established definition. The preamble is the most important section of an article. You don't "cherry pick" the most important part of an article. My definition is exactly what the terms "institutional" and "racism" would imply…

> The preamble is the most important section of an article. You don't "cherry pick" the most important part of an article. Yikes. If this is the level that you're at, I really hope that you are trolling. The point is that you don't have to agree with the definition, you can just recognize that it exists and that it's used. Then you can try to argue against the actual contents of it instead of the naming. So let's cal…

>>Yikes. If this is the level that you're at, I really hope that you are trolling.

Please stop trolling. Comments like this are extremely pretentious, and qualify as trolling someone else.

>>Is the massive BLM protests just a massive misunderstanding - nostalgia of former injustices rather than current ones?

Is the massive Tea Party protests just a massive misunderstanding? How about the massive pro-Trump protests against the results of the election? How about the massive anti-lockdown protests?

You're acting like it's absurd to reject the beliefs of protestors.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by wolverine876 »

kapuasuite wrote: post #204
wolverine876 wrote: post #197

Core to attitudes like Coinbase's (as described in the article) the theory that their only responsibility is profit for their shareholders. IMHO, that theory is like many others today: It's attractive - it simplifies everything and even makes it quantifiable - but does not stand up to a moment's scrutiny. Almost everything Coinbase has comes from their community: Liberty; peace; political functionality and stability;…

>It's just an absurd, transparent rationalization for selfishness to try to justify being a parasite on all that by not contributing to it and being responsible for making it work. But we have an entire institution dedicated to solving these types of problems - the government. We don't want corporations trying to "make it work" or "contributing" - we want people to pay their taxes so the government can execute its mi…

The well-used argument that only government is responsible is, if you think about it for 30 seconds (try it - stop now and think about it) absurd, has never been true, is not how anything has gotten done, and never will be true.

It's a meme, a cover story for not doing your part. It's our community, our society. It depends on each person, every one of us, every day.

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