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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by coldtea »

ant6n wrote: post #660
darthrupert wrote: post #639

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I think you should stick to Apple, frankly. Every time Apple comes up with something new (or just a new software release), people come out of their sheds to warn about all the bad things that will happen. And then almost none of those bad things happen. I've witnessed this dozens of times now, so a safe interpretation would be to assume that this time none of those things happen.

Not running 32bit code anymore die definitely happen

And it couldn't have happened sooner.

Do you want to be burdened with layers of backwards compatibility and end up like POSIX or Autoconf with provisions for things that once run on some long forgotten UNIX OS version?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by crwll »

ornornor wrote: post #653
jonahbenton wrote: post #629

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Get a Thinkpad, P-series, lots of options. Run Fedora on it. Great machines, great keyboard, 4k screens, good color, goot battery life, lightweight. Everything works. Mac-level price, and worth it.

How is 4K support and fractional scaling? Does it work well?

In my experience, fractional scaling and 4k support is finally fine on at least whatever GNOME and Wayland Ubuntu 20.04 ships with, with two major caveats:

* Chromium-based applications (the browser and Electron apps like VS Code) still don't know how to render themselves with fractional scaling and end up ever so slightly blurry (but correct sized) on fractionally scaled displays. Think like very old applications (like Control Panel) on Windows 10. I use Firefox so it doesn't bother me that much. There's a issue in Chromium bug tracker following this, but I can't find it right now.

* Screen sharing full screen or other windows than browser tabs doesn't work on Google Meet / MS Teams. This is and has been an issue in Wayland since forever.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by p410n3 »

robocat wrote: post #669
augustl wrote: post #24

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That's correct. AFAIK Catalina will check online for everything, even binaries you compile yourself.

Microsoft Windows also uploads your private exe’s, and then runs them on Microsoft servers: https://medium.com/sensorfu/how-my-application-ran-away-and-...

Holy Shit. That should be illegal. All it needs is one rogue employee to potentially steal trade secrets? And dont tell me MS employees never go rogue after the recent events...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Closi »

mav3rick wrote: post #699
ls65536 wrote: post #564

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> The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. The other thing that really can't be discounted here is that a lot of the HN crowd are likely the default go-to people in their circle of family and friends for this sort of stuff, and in many cases they may also have major purchasing influence and technical decision making power in their respective businesses. Turning off one of them may be inconsequ…

God the self importance of this community. The world can live without the 1000 people here.

It’s true, but at the same time Apple are currently trying to win over the developer community. That much was clear over the M1 announcement where they focused on compile times and tensor flow as benchmarks.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jmnicolas »

tomjen3 wrote: post #671
yakz wrote: post #507

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I agree--I also de-googled within the last couple years. I also did it because I need my e-mail to always work, it's just unacceptable that Google could take it away with no reasonable recourse. I was also hit by this outage today, at work, on my work laptop, while I was working. Apple literally cost me time and my employer money today, because their lack of foresight or inadequate provisioning of servers or whatever…

What did you move your phone to, when you degoogled your life? Apple iphones seems even worse than Android, honestly.

I use GrapheneOS. It's rough, but as I said somewhere else, for the first time my phone isn't my enemy.

I would have bought a Linux phone, but seeing that a few months ago they had trouble making calls on a Librem 5, I chose not to take the risk.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jhoechtl »

ornornor wrote: post #653
jonahbenton wrote: post #629

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Get a Thinkpad, P-series, lots of options. Run Fedora on it. Great machines, great keyboard, 4k screens, good color, goot battery life, lightweight. Everything works. Mac-level price, and worth it.

How is 4K support and fractional scaling? Does it work well?

Not op here. Using Gnome on Manjaro with Wayland. Fractional scaling works very well on a external 4K monitor and with internal HiDPI display.

Electron apps are blurry, tracking https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/10915

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by toyg »

darthrupert wrote: post #639
areoform wrote: post #533

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So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

I think you should stick to Apple, frankly. Every time Apple comes up with something new (or just a new software release), people come out of their sheds to warn about all the bad things that will happen. And then almost none of those bad things happen. I've witnessed this dozens of times now, so a safe interpretation would be to assume that this time none of those things happen.

Except bad things did happen. Like their capricious application of Appstore “guidelines”; the increasing difficulty of running software on Mac where the developer won’t pay Apple a tithe; the drop in Linux support for the platform, as they locked it down more and more at hardware level; the imposition of their authentication and payment portals (and hence 30% taxes all around) on web apps... etc etc etc.

We have been effectively boiled like obedient frogs.

I love macOS but my next laptop won’t be a mac and my next phone won’t be an iPhone. Divesting from the ecosystem will be painful but we’re well past any grace period at this point.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Tepix »

Imagine you are a software developer and want to learn about the boot process and implement your own bootloader. A popular exercise.

You can't boot your self-written software on your "own" Apple Silicon Mac. There is no way to disable the locked down boot process.

You may argue that it's still your computer and you can do what you want with it. You're wrong.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pfranz »

ant6n wrote: post #660
darthrupert wrote: post #639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you should stick to Apple, frankly. Every time Apple comes up with something new (or just a new software release), people come out of their sheds to warn about all the bad things that will happen. And then almost none of those bad things happen. I've witnessed this dozens of times now, so a safe interpretation would be to assume that this time none of those things happen.

Not running 32bit code anymore die definitely happen

It was rumored for like a decade. The last 32-bit computers were sold in something like 2007-2008? High Sierra started throwing warnings when you launched 32-bit apps. In 2018, they announced Mojave would be the last version to support them. Mojave just got an update yesterday and will likely get updates for at least another year. So nobody has been forced out yet.

I'm aware end users with discontinued software were forced into some no-win choices. But as an ecosystem, it's one example where this happened and was given a ~15 year possible window and an explicit 4 year window to transition.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Ziggy_Zaggy »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #565
nightowl_games wrote: post #556

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Yeah so basically in the windows world, a lot of the good laptops are under the "business class" of the various manufacturers: Dell Precision, HP Elite Book, MSI Prestige In the consumer world the Dell XPS, Asus Zenbook, Asus Pro Art are the way to go for a designer. Dell Precision is probably the overall best laptop. MSI Prestige is targetted right at you though, with color accuracy and a good display. The only bran…

Lenovo Thinkpad is another popular line, seems conspicuously absent from your list. They're known to have good resale value, and to work well with Linux. If you're getting up to the Precision line, the Lenovo P series workstations are also worth considering, though given they're actually professional-grade machines with Xeon and Quadro parts they'll be more expensive than a Macbook Pro. There are also boutiques like…

Lenovo has got to be amongst the top, imho.
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