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The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Those parents often shout about "greedy developers" (or, if pressed, "parking and neighbourhood character") when, heaven forfend, someone tries to build new homes near them. Treating homes an investment was one of the worst mistakes of the 20th century.

forfend?

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Heaven+forfend

It's a somewhat more archaic form of "heaven forbid" as I understand it. I think the word "forfend" is mostly heard in this idiom these days.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

#712

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You are so, so close to understanding the problem, and then stopped at the last minute. Are you arguing that SF should be only populated by L8s at Google? Surely not. It should make financial sense for teachers and cooks and Uber drivers to live in SF, because that's how cities work. L8s are great at writing design docs for obscure CI systems but what if I want a burrito?

There were cheap burritos everywhere before tech arrived.

…and housing starts ended.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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You mean all the entirely predictable situations, like guaranteed increase in sexual abuse and domestic violence? When this genius plan was announced in late winter, I couldn't help but think of all those poor souls who lost whatever safe space (school, library, job, whatever) they had that kept them away from an abusive person in their lives, who were now together 24/7 under psychological and economic stress. Of cou…

I'm not sure why you were down-voted so much. There are real negative consequences for a State-wide lockdown that aren't immediately as obvious and the consequences of not locking down. I'm curious how in depth that analysis/discussion was, or if everything has been just knee-jerk reactions to the latest news and data points.

I'm a foster parent and have seen a lot of the discussion and tweaks among CPS and social workers in my state because of that. A shit ton of analysis and discussion has gone into every step here. People who act like they are the first person to ever think of the downsides to a lockdown are just not relevant.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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If their actions were productive and healthy I would agree with you. Yet their behavior sounds unproductive and unlikely to lead to a quality life. As such scorn is warranted. Younger generations 40 and below have a tendency to believe that regardless of what they are doing no one can have a negative opinion on what they do, otherwise the other party is to be blamed and shamed. There is little to no self accountabili…

What's needed here is sympathy. They could as well be depressed, addicted or have any other problem they're trying to run away from. Or just a broken sleep cycle. Bottom line is, if you're bitter about it, you're unlikely to change anything and only get to accumulate resentment.

Agree hard with this. For one, we all know how addictive screens are. Many people commenting here are part of the firms that design/support these addiction machines.

What I would want older generations to understand is that modern lifestyle is more and more of an attention trap that expresses itself both mentally and physically.

Sympathy is good, empathy is better.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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It's also useful to note that the "nuclear family" is a very Western thing, and the US takes it to an extreme. In other parts of the world it's abnormal for adults in their 20s to be living anywhere but with their parents, often even with a fiance or new spouse in the mix. The idea that having a multi-generational household means that the younger members haven't "grown up" and need to "learn to live on their own" is…

I was fortunate enough to be able to attend boarding school starting from age 13, and getting out of my parents' home early was a huge benefit in every possible way. I wish more young people had the same opportunity. My parents are good people, there was nothing wrong with my home environment. But it's more important that youth learn to act like independent adults and take responsibility for their own lives. Staying…

I think whether youth learn to be independent adults when living with parents have more to do with parenting style than with the fact that they are living together. Helicopter parenting styles can lead to learned helplessness even when youths are out in the world by themselves, and they end up continuously being a burden to friends and family in order to survive.

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> Nothing in this amendment shall be construed to abridge freedom of the press. Cool, so instead of PACs we'd just candidate-backing "news" coalitions?

How is that worse? You're claiming it's the same?

I'm saying this couldn't work without explicitly including restrictions on the freedom of the press, since "the press" is the very vehicle by which money gets turned into political influence. Unless this amendment includes something akin to the fairness doctrine I can't see how it could possibly have the effect you are looking for.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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> Housing is more expensive for them than prior generations I harp on this constantly. But housing is not more expensive in the majority of American metros. Adjusted for inflation the median cost per square foot of new housing is almost exactly the same as it was in 1990. (This doesn't even take into account that mortgage rates are drastically lower since then.) We get skewed on this for two reasons. One is because h…

> But unless you have the potential to become an L8 at Google (or equivalent), it makes no financial sense to choose to live in the Bay Area instead of Raleigh. It's like somebody who works as a back office bookkeeper insisting on buying custom tailored Seville Row suits for his work attire, then complaining that the costs of clothes has gotten out of hand. Buying a custom tailored suit requires extra/better labour a…

Not sure that's true. L8 at Google is a total compensation of >$500k. You can afford to live on that in the Bay Area.

If you leave Google for a job in Raleigh, you're probably going to take a massive pay cut. Remember, the average SWE makes like ~$100k. It's not nothing but it's not that great either after you factor in a mortgage, car insurance, gas, utilities, food, retirement, and increased healthcare costs due to being on an inferior health insurance plan. At a certain point, you're better off at Google.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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It's also useful to note that the "nuclear family" is a very Western thing, and the US takes it to an extreme. In other parts of the world it's abnormal for adults in their 20s to be living anywhere but with their parents, often even with a fiance or new spouse in the mix. The idea that having a multi-generational household means that the younger members haven't "grown up" and need to "learn to live on their own" is…

I was fortunate enough to be able to attend boarding school starting from age 13, and getting out of my parents' home early was a huge benefit in every possible way. I wish more young people had the same opportunity. My parents are good people, there was nothing wrong with my home environment. But it's more important that youth learn to act like independent adults and take responsibility for their own lives. Staying…

Boarding school was not sink or swim, you had adults looking after you, likely it was paid for by your parents, and you had a decent home life to return to if shit got really tough. Most parents aren't going to let their child sink and drown, nor is that really practical advice.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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> Two is that we're highly skewed to a handful of elite metros, whose housing markets are not representative of the country as a whole Right, but what matters is the housing price where people are. It doesn't matter what the housing market looks like in South Dakota if I don't want to live there. While houses in South Dakota may be 1/10 the price of houses in NYC (likely cheaper, honestly), they also have 1/10 the po…

>And it's simply not feasible for the vast majority of people living paycheck to paycheck to just up and leave to Raleigh like you imply. There was a time where people would move countries with nothing but what they can carry at a chance of improving their life. At a time where the only way to travel was by boat for weeks and the only way to communicate to relatives was by mail. Now we balk at the idea of moving citi…

And they could set up in single room boarding houses or camp outside town when they reached their destination. Those boarding houses have been mostly regulated out of existence, and people camping within reach of most cities risk arrest.

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> Two is that we're highly skewed to a handful of elite metros, whose housing markets are not representative of the country as a whole Right, but what matters is the housing price where people are. It doesn't matter what the housing market looks like in South Dakota if I don't want to live there. While houses in South Dakota may be 1/10 the price of houses in NYC (likely cheaper, honestly), they also have 1/10 the po…

> Right, but what matters is the housing price where people are. We're not talking about houses in the middle of nowhere. These are major urban population centers. The Houston metro area has 7 million people. The Phoenix metro area has 4.9 million people. Tampa metro has 3.1 million people. Houston and Phoenix are both larger than the Bay Area metro is currently. Tampa's just shy of the size of Seattle. Nor is it the…

I'm not sure where you're getting your data but median house prices have risen significantly in Houston metro area since 2012 (over 50%) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ATNHPIUS26420Q
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