This thread is hijacked by members of Chinese communist party - they are flagging all anti Chinese messages in this thread. Beware!!! My message got flagged just for saying that the CCP should discover the vaccine for Covid 19 and give democratic rights to people of China and someone flagged my message.
TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources
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> The lack of response on being called a troll is pretty deafening. I think it is easy to see this account is a byte-dance or ccp paid troll. You're not allowed to actually say that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, e…
The CCP loves this rule. When’s the last time you saw HN step in to moderate what have been clear astroturfing attempts of the front page? Also interesting how every person questioning this account has been Silenced by flagging?
That's not anywhere near accurate, and you can't break HN's rules like this. We have those rules for the simple reason that people vastly overinterpret what they see and jump to wild and sinister conclusions, as indeed you're doing here.
I don't know if other sites work the same way that HN does. I just know that I've spent countless hours studying the HN data on this, and the conclusions are extremely clear: the vast majority of comments like what you're posting here, insinuating astroturfing or brigading etc., are entirely made up based on what people imagine they see. Therefore we ask users not to post them unless they have some evidence to point to (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Running into views that you disagree with does not count as evidence. This is a widespread community with millions of members from all sorts of places and backgrounds. It's inevitable that opposing views show up here, including about China. That's entirely natural.
If you need more explanation, there's tons at these links:
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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Wow...CCP supporters out in full-force right now downvoting anything critical of China.
This breaks the site guidelines. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here.
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I'll bite. Cite your sources and I'll address them. > After reading your bio, I'm not surprised that it's full of comments defending the CCP. Maybe it's because some of us grew up watching the horrors of the Iraq war, and the immense duplicity, chaos, and waste of human potential? Those who opposed the Iraq war were overwhelmingly silenced back then and I refuse to let the same happen now.
Which is why your entire comment history is near exclusive to supporting the CCP? Seems strange how that is somehow related to Iraq and not just broad US policy in general.
You can't attack other users like this, and you've broken other guidelines as well.
Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting to HN.
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The US left the moral high ground some time ago. (About 4 years ago)
This line of thinking is absurd. Where are the US's death and labor camps? Global IP theft apparatus? Religious persecutions? Actual territorial expansion? Oh, but we have a leader that says mean things. Totally on par with China.
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They also offer the US access to cheap workforce, which is kept unbeatably cheap via the action of the chinese state. I thought it was a tit-for-tat relationship. The argument is also used a-la-carte: It's decades since the first time google pulled out of china, yet there was no relatiation then. And it does not apply to other countries which are often blocking google/facebook/youtube like russia or turkey?
If tiktop were Russian and accused of spying and or pushing propaganda, I believe the response would be the same
If tiktop were German and accused of spying and or pushing propaganda, I believe the response would not be the same
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If tiktop were Russian and accused of spying and or pushing propaganda, I believe the response would be the same
If tiktop were German and accused of spying and or pushing propaganda, I believe the response would not be the same
Because Germany is a free democracy, it could not happen. I think the comparison is illogical and whataboutist.
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> Cannot believe the president has the power without legal battle to ban business activity. I didn't think State Governor's could ban legitimate business activity until very recently either.
If your legitimate business activity undermines public health it is no longer legitimate until the threat has passed. We fought this out in 1918 as well.
The problem is determining what is a public health problem.
Ice cream parlors? Are they necessary? No, but they're allowed to be open.
Hair cutting? Closed. Restaurants to-go food and alcohol? Open. Bars? Closed. Hiking trails? Open. Camping? Closed.
Very little makes sense, and almost all of it is political.
If the Government wants to prevent you from operating your otherwise legal and legitimate business, they should have to pay you for lost revenue.
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This line of thinking is absurd. Where are the US's death and labor camps? Global IP theft apparatus? Religious persecutions? Actual territorial expansion? Oh, but we have a leader that says mean things. Totally on par with China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
Are you really trying to compare Japanese Internment camps with what is going on in China in present day?
Forced Sterilizations, Death Camps, Labor Camps, Political Persecution, Religious Persecution, and so much worse.
Literally millions die every year in China at the hands of the CCP.
There is no reasonable, sane comparison.
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If your legitimate business activity undermines public health it is no longer legitimate until the threat has passed. We fought this out in 1918 as well.
The problem is determining what is a public health problem. Ice cream parlors? Are they necessary? No, but they're allowed to be open. Hair cutting? Closed. Restaurants to-go food and alcohol? Open. Bars? Closed. Hiking trails? Open. Camping? Closed. Very little makes sense, and almost all of it is political. If the Government wants to prevent you from operating your otherwise legal and legitimate business, they shou…
Can your business take precautions to prevent the spread of an active pandemic? Good you get to stay open. Can your business take precautions, but isn't? You get to close. Does the nature of your business make it impossible to function with social distancing/masks? You get to close.
That's how it's been done in my state, and we've done very well compared to the rest of the nation. If we (nationwide) had actually shut down in the beginning instead of half-assing it we wouldn't be where we are now.