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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by trymas »

olivermarks wrote: post #500

As an elected official and part of a giant bureaucracy the US president has a right to make proclamations, and the media has the right to criticize, refute and contradict. Where this gets delicate is with a person who holds enormous power and is literally leading the administration. People want to hear what this leader has to say, and censoring/hiding/second guessing what this person says is arguably undemocratic. Tr…

But twitter is a private business or isn't it? Twitter users must agree to Twitter TOS isn't it?

Your freedom of speech is also Twitter's freedom of speech and if you don't like that someone uses their freedom to calls you on your bullshit - then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

POTUS has whitehouse.gov if he thinks that private business does not let him say what he want's to say.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by partiallypro »

phailhaus wrote: post #363
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

Eh? Do you have any examples? This is nothing new, Twitter has been applying this standard to tweets for a very long time (it's part of their ToS!). It usually results in deleting your tweet or an outright ban. The only difference here is that they've kept the tweet up since they deem it to be in the public's interest.

There are tons of examples. Look in almost any thread and there are people calling for public hangings of politicians, assassinations. The "guillotine" crowd. People telling people to burn down the city. Some people saying anti-Semitic stuff...I've reported a lot of this. Twitter usually comes back and say they found it wasn't in violation of anything. There are other politicians, such as Chinese officials, Iranian officials the Twitter has not policed or marked as misleading despite them being outright anti-Semitic or propaganda.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by joshuamorton »

HeroOfAges wrote: post #693
tobylane wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible to have bias without editorialising, as far as I know Twitter only hides, deletes or bans. It doesn’t edit, the fact checking is appending.

How is appending not editing. If I append a statement to the end of your comment that contradicts your earlier point without your permission, how is that not editorial?

According to section 230, it is only relevant if it changes the meaning of the original content. If it's clearly different content, then it's clearly different content.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by d0100 »

BryantD wrote: post #579
efitz wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If most of the mistakes happen in one direction, then I would argue that there's some other mechanism at work than just "mistakes". Update: data https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-tw... Update: admission https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

The link you've characterized as an admission discusses internal bias, and doesn't say anything about bias in moderating.

Would you not doubt an "internally racist" person to moderate a black community?

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Post by downerending »

tathougies wrote: post #607
tomp wrote: post #171

This is amazing news, and I hope Twitter adopts this policy for all rules violations. Much better than deleting tweet or banning accounts, this lets people decide what they want to see. (Except for obvious spammers etc. which should probably be banned.) Even better would be if there were user-configurable "lists", whereby you could decide upfront what you want / don't want to see (like many sites do right now with NS…

Youre right. Before twitter took this step I was unable to decide whether to read the president's tweets. Every morning I am forced by twitter to read trumps tweets. Thank goodness this is no longer the case. /s

This is the bit I don't get. I regularly ignore the utterances of all sorts of people I'm not interested in hearing from. Is it really that hard?

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Post by agarden »

mthoms wrote: post #599
efitz wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If most of the mistakes happen in one direction, then I would argue that there's some other mechanism at work than just "mistakes". Update: data https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-tw... Update: admission https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

Maybe right leaning users have a higher propensity to say offensive/harmful things? I'm not being facetious. Isn't this something the right is actually proud of ? I mean, they actually boast about not being "politically correct" (something the rest of the western world calls "common decency").

Offensive to whom? By definition, a conservative has a bias towards keeping things as they have been. As such, we should expect a conservative's sensibilities to be more along the lines of our parent's or grandparent's (or maybe even great-grandparent's) generation.

So look at it this way: are the things that conservatives say outside the bounds of common decency of the 1980s? 1950s? 1930s? Then ask if the kind of things that left-leaning users say are outside the bounds of common decency of the 1980s, 1950s, 1930s.

You say that political correctness is just common decency. Your grandparents probably had a different standard for common decency in their day.

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Post by trymas »

midasz wrote: post #7

Wow. This man needs a lesson on how to deescalate a situation properly. Will this heavy handed approach really make people less angry? I doubt it..

And his supporters said that women cannot be presidents because they're too emotional..

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

ssorc3 wrote: post #695

So I have a question about this. Does free speech apply to platforms like Facebook and Twitter? I would have thought that a website owner has a choice about the content of their website, even if that content is user generated. Surely they could remove any tweet they wanted and not be sued?

It depends. And the problem that people have is that social media companies want to be both publishers and platforms.

For example, T-Mobile is a platform. They aren't responsible for anything you say when on the phone, using their network.

CNN is a publisher. They are responsible for anything that gets posted on their website, and can get sued accordingly.

Social media companies want to choose what is posted on their website, but also not be held responsible for anything that is posted on their website. They want the perks of being a publisher, and the perks of being a platform.

Obviously there are arguments made on both sides. But that is the general disagreement, if I understand correctly.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by trymas »

Aeolun wrote: post #93
midasz wrote: post #7

Wow. This man needs a lesson on how to deescalate a situation properly. Will this heavy handed approach really make people less angry? I doubt it..

I think it's interesting how he's threatening China about HK on one hand, but on the other hand being a lot more literal and aggressive towards his own people.

IMHO, he's a closeted dictator and would really like to be in Xi's or Putin's shoes.
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