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So what you are saying is that 8chan has the same content as certain Facebook groups. Why not drop Facebook?
Because it's much easier to succeed (and feel really good afterwards) in bullying the small deformed guy.
Is that who you mean?
If it does something illegal, the law can close it down.
If it doesn't, it's should be absolutely no concern of Cloudlfare to police it.
That's more dystopian than a wacko shooter posting their message there. They could have posted it anywhere, or just posted it on their profile, send it to the news, etc.
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> because someone used your property for offensive purposes, the water company cut off the water supply This actually happens in Europe, typically when authorities decide squatters should not be tolerated. TBH, services like Cloudflare should be free to operate as they please. A publisher is simply not entitled to a CDN. If there is a demand for specific niches, a supply will eventually emerge, like it has for porn.
Sure, they are free to operate as they please. And people are free to dislike the way they operate.
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What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? Getting insight into the state of mind of such an individual seems valuable, no?
What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong. It might make the tiniest bit of sense if we were collectively able to do something preventative about mass murders before they happened by using that “insight”. That certainly does not seem to be happening. No, I think the time is coming where white supremacist manifest…
Yeah, a state that is constantly in war(s), paints the target countries du jour as the enemy building racism against their citizens, tolerates torture and police shootings (letting officers that do that shit free), and is obsessed with violence and gun ownership, suddenly is worried about "spreading extremism".
Why is this the concern of Cloudflare? If it does something illegal, the law can close it down. If it doesn't, it's should be absolutely no concern of Cloudlfare to police it. That's more dystopian than a wacko shooter posting their message there. They could have posted it anywhere, or just posted it on their profile, send it to the news, etc.
I don't like 8chan as a website, but I'm still not a fan of this move. Feels like no one online wants to just provide a 'dumb pipe', and always want to act like a pseudo publisher trying to dictate what's allowed and what isn't. Imagine if real life utilities did this. If because someone used your property for offensive purposes, the water company cut off the water supply, or the electricity company refused to provid…
“I may disagree with what you say but will defend with you your right to say it.” - Voltaire
But in age when white supremacy/fascism/nazism/strongman-leader-ism is rising again, I’m no longer sure I agree with them.
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What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? Getting insight into the state of mind of such an individual seems valuable, no?
Maybe to you and me, but we're not its target audience. Its target audience is other 8chan users, some of which might be just a step away from committing such atrocities themselves.
Sounds like a genius plan.
Don't ban easy access to guns, don't change a crazy individualistic/every man for themselves/violence loving culture.
Just hide the manifestos, that should work.
(Cue the "one doesn't prevent us doing the other" answers).
A lot of not-so-subtle support for 8chan leaking into this thread. Cloudfare aren't a government. They aren't a democracy. I don't know why some people seem to think they should act any differently. If you own a notice board in the real world, and someone put something horrible on it, you would take it down. This is no different.
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What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? Getting insight into the state of mind of such an individual seems valuable, no?
What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong. It might make the tiniest bit of sense if we were collectively able to do something preventative about mass murders before they happened by using that “insight”. That certainly does not seem to be happening. No, I think the time is coming where white supremacist manifest…
What about Stalin?
What about non-white supremacist manifestos? They do exist, you know.
How much history would you erase due to your belief that words are capable of 'infecting' (presumably) lesser minds?
There's no evidence that manifestos spread "extremism and terrorism like a virus". Words are not able to infect people against their will. There are only ideas, and they can only be fought with reflection, more words and more ideas.
In the end, white supremacists and other kinds of supremacists existed before the internet. By supporting China-style censorship you're not actually eliminating those ideas, or even stopping their spread.
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“I may disagree with what you say but will defend with you your right to say it.” - Voltaire
Those always sounded like noble, wise words. And maybe they once were. But in age when white supremacy/fascism/nazism/strongman-leader-ism is rising again, I’m no longer sure I agree with them.
(Voltaire didn't said it exactly, it's a later quote. But he said words to the same effect, and it's by itself a good quote).