Same great keyboard! /s
Utterly ridiculous they haven’t redone this keyboard yet.
Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro
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#712My 2018 Macbook Pro's screen failed. They replaced it for free, but damaged the webcam in the process. They told me I'd need to pay over 500 dollars to get it fixed since I could not prove it was damaged while switching screens.
Keep escalating. Try emailing Tim Cook if you can’t get results. I had to resort to that once and their executive team reached out and solved everything. I don’t abuse it, but it is needed sometimes.
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This is a completely appropriate use of small-claims court. It's the one place where a regular citizen can afford a fair trial against Apple in the U.S.
Unfortunately you generally have to sue where the corporate HQ is. That makes it impractical for most people.
No you don’t. And this is actually why a lot of people win them against corporations — it’s cheaper to just let you have the hundreds or few thousand you’re asking for.
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#714I am starting to think this online complaining is an organised attack on apple rather than anything genuine.
Some gullible people still actually believe what they read on the internet in terms of “organic” user comments and companies know it.
I don’t know what the failure rate of the keyboards is, only apple could know this, so it is impossible for me to say anything about that. Either way, they keep trying to improve its reliability. As for how it feels, it is faster to type on then the older ones. The new MacBooks also look better.
People complain about all of these things like the touchbar as if they type all day on their laptop. If you do, you have serious problems with your neck and posture. It is a laptop, designed for 2 hours per day at most.
Meanwhile, people make all these hilarious claims about “how great windows is now with wsl” and how their dell is supposedly great and so on. Ahh, these are compete bullshit. Windows sucks even more now with all the advertising, wsl will always be a shitty emulation layer, and dell make computers that aren’t even comparable to apple in quality.
I see people all the time say “they were going to get a MacBook but all the comments put them off”. I would suggest those people wake up and stop putting faith in anything you read on the internet. If you know people having problem with their MacBook, then that is a real data point. Internet comments and videos are not.
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I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…
Not sure what your usage is like, but after being on OSX for 10 years and going back to Windows 10, I don't miss it much. Windows 10 is pretty great these days.
I have Windows running along side macOS on my Mac Pro. It boots faster and the video screams... when it’s not installing updates. Seriously. It’s worse than my xBox.
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Agreed, the keyboard is awful. I just want a decent/good keyboard, an HDMI port, and just 1 USB A port, I'll definitely take 0.5mm thicker for those. Well, at least they kept the headphone jack... 32gb ram and an 8 core processor is awesome, but all the downsides have turned me away from getting the next gen unless they fix those things.
> Agreed, the keyboard is awful. I don't really get the hate for these keyboards. I benchmarked my typing speed on my 2019 MBP and a few other keyboards, I didn't notice any significant difference. Just a keyboard...
The two main issues for me are failure rates and key travel. My fingers literally hurt when I use it. The 2012-2015 form was probably less beautiful to look at (and slightly thicker), but it was much better to type with.
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That's exactly it. That on top of the bling factor. Nobody buys MacBooks, all I see are MacBook Pros. Because of this Apple had to start catering the to consumers who care more about thinness and bling rather than utility. The pro device became a device for everyone.
I get why they'd like like to sell a pro device to more people. That's fine. It marketing world pro/professional seems to often equate to "better". If someone wants to spend an extra thousand to load the news a bit faster, sure. Apple will and should happily take their money, and they can repurpose product names in service of this all day. I would like to imagine there's space in the market for a "pro" model that wou…
I see this time and time again on Hacker News, and really don't understand why people seem to think that "pro" in any way equates to "developer" or to "someone who needs a lot of computing horsepower".
"Pro" means professional. The vast majority of working professionals, in the vast majority of professional fields, run Office, a mail client, a browser, and maybe a line-of-business app. Professionals regularly attend meetings, and like to be able to carry their laptop around without breaking their backs.
The needs of professionals are generally largely in line with the needs of the average consumer.
You can come up with 'professional' jobs that need more horsepower (people like traders who want to run 6 monitors, and software devs (although personally I don't understand why software devs really need more horsepower)) but those are most definitely the exception.
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Or just take it to the Apple Store and pay them $199 to repair the battery which also gets you an entirely new top case and keyboard (old, original stock)
Yeah in my experience that 199$ price doesn’t happen in real life, as they tell you they need to replace the whole top case. Never understood why they publicly list the 199$ battery change price. Am I missing something?
AFAIK, If your battery is in the service battery condition (generally, less than 80% health), then you'll get the $199 price, otherwise you have to pay for the top case. It's the same repair either way but they charge for it differently.
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#719The arrow keys and touchbar make that machine completely unsuitable for writing code, at least for me. My right hand needs to unconsciously lock on to the arrow keys, and that's just impossible with that layout. There's nothing to grab on to. My new iMac keyboard sits in a drawer collecting dust solely because of the arrow keys. And the butterfly mechanism is unproven and untrustworthy, I don't care how many times th…
I have the wireless Mac keyboard and I agree about the arrows. I’ve had this keyboard for years and I’m still not used to that arrow placement.
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#720These used to excite me because I've desperately needed 32gb and faster procs and used to upgrade every 2-3 years but now I just yawn at MBP releases. I'm so unexcited by everything about this form factor other than the fact that it has OSX. I'm guessing I'll be on my 2016 until I finally bite the bullet and quit using OSX if they don't make a more compelling package to spend my $3k on in the next few years. I don't…
I don’t get the touch pad complaint (I don’t agree with the others either but that’s a boring worn out argument) - macOS has had excellent “accidental touch” detection in my experience.
So I come from the weird world of Thinkpad point-stick users so take my ergo desires with a grain of salt if you hate that thing. I don't like having to use a buttonless touchpad to begin with and while the MBP touchpad is the best I've ever used I loved it on my 2015 and despise how large it is on the 2016 I've got now. I do EVERYTHING I can to not use this laptop as a laptop. It's keyboard and touchpad experience are just awful, well, the keyboards awful, the touchpad size is just an annoyance.
When I sit with the laptop on my lap, like on the couch, I find that I'm constantly adjusting things to not touch it. Whether it's my jacket or a blanket or my phone cable or my own hand. I just constantly trigger it and I'm sure I have it on the lowest sensitivity with palm rejection. I'm pretty sure even when I'm on a desk I'm constantly adjusting where my arms are because it's getting triggered (or I just feel like I have to pay attention to it).
FWIW, I dislike every single Apple keyboard, mouse and touchpad ever created and refuse to use them to the point that I bring my own kb/mouse to work because every job hands me those. I have tried them, at times, for months.