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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by reitanqild »

tehduder9 wrote: post #685
reitanqild wrote: post #578

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> It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do. Not entirely true. Chrome as been bundled with other popular software for significant time. Also saying someone has to go out of their way to install it when it is advertised on the front of Google.com isn't my definition of "out of their way".

What has chrome ever been "bundled" with? And if it was there was no reason to people to simply not use it. You just can't admit that Chrome does have its merits for some non-logical reason...

> What has chrome ever been "bundled" with?

The JRE is at the top of my mind.

> You just can't admit that Chrome does have its merits for some non-logical reason

Disagree again. And I don't really understand where you get that from.

I admit Chrome is nice for a lot of people.

The reason why it owns the market today is because it is a decent/good browser (except for its huge privacy issues) and because Google has put an enormous effort behind pushing it everywhere all the time.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by gdwatson »

wlll wrote: post #291
gdwatson wrote: post #242

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"... and Firefox is just not cutting it." What are your objections to modern Firefox? Most of the criticism I've heard is that it's become too much like Chrome. I'm quite happy with it personally.

As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

For clarity, what platform are you on? Updates are automatic on Windows and managed by the package manager on Linux and BSD.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by wlll »

gdwatson wrote: post #713
wlll wrote: post #291

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As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

For clarity, what platform are you on? Updates are automatic on Windows and managed by the package manager on Linux and BSD.

Mac

edit To clarify, I'm used to Chrome seemingly just updating itself in the background. Firefox needs a restart, and so far the restart behaviour with Firefox has been less reliable than Chrome (losing opened tabs sometimes, for instance).

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by wlll »

sleavey wrote: post #324
wlll wrote: post #291

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As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

Spell check just needs a dictionary installed, not a plugin. This takes about three clicks.

I'm on a mac and everything else spell checks just fine, so:

1. Why not Firefox?

2. Why do I have to jump through some undocumented hoops to get something that should work out of the box?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by reitanqild »

bepotts wrote: post #679
mda wrote: post #458

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So many conspiracy theories. When did HN become this hysterical...

Yeah it's really off putting. A lot of people here cannot come to grips with the fact that many tech companies are big because their customers people love their products; this includes Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon. Nobody is pulling a fast one on me when I buy my iPhone and Mac. I know full well what Google and Facebook are doing with my data when I use their sites. I. Don't. Care. They have products and servi…

I used to be like you. I've defended Google until recently.

But after China, the killer drones and how they are destroying other players for no other reason than greed and carelessness I don't defend them anymore.

I still trust them with my data in their cloud, for now, but I try to reduce their power.

If we are lucky they might even become nice again in the future.

They used to be wildly profitable even when they were nice.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by wlll »

toofy wrote: post #358
sleavey wrote: post #324

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Spell check just needs a dictionary installed, not a plugin. This takes about three clicks.

I'm guessing they meant "No spellcheck in forms without jumping through more hoops ."

Right. When I looked into how to get spell checking in form fields all the advice I could find on the Internet was "install a plugin".

It seems to me that spell checking of form fields should be a basic feature integrated into the browser.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by alanh »

Ntrails wrote: post #403
SwellJoe wrote: post #293

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I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. It takes several steps to make it stop pushing Edge when you open any web links. I don't use Edge (or Chrome) because I don't trust the companies that make them, and it's one small piece of my computing life I can withhold from them. So...there's nothing they could do to make Edge good enough for me, without fixing the lack of trust I…

> I'm not sure what more they could do. Don't release a browser which cannot be made to adblock. I suspect that 90% of the vaguely techy world laughed at Edge the moment it's clear they'd have to accept autoplaying videos on webpages again. And like it or not those reactions filter through family and friends pretty effectively.

Right - for quite some time, Edge didn’t even support BOOKMARKLETS, much less extensions! April 2017: https://alanhogan.com/ms-edge-is-a-bad-browser

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by daveheq »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Edge's browser engine is fine; people don't use it because it's not the defualt and Microsoft won't deprecate IE or just make it a not-so-prominent app. They can't keep IE alive forever yet businesses are not dropping it. They have to kill it at some point.

The problem with Edge is it's missing features other browsers have had for years, including IE. Microsoft just needs to add those features, not reinvent their browser again.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by WorldMaker »

There is something really weird/off about this rumor. It doesn't make sense for Microsoft to drop EdgeHTML. EdgeHTML is doing really well.

The big thing that jumps out here is the repeated use of the term Chromium rather than Blink. That might just be a non-technical writer here, but what if it is not?

EdgeHTML has been working for years to be open source, and maybe even cross-platform. Could this project actually be the completion of that effort? Maybe they are using Chromium to host EdgeHTML (and ChakraCore) instead of Blink/V8? Edge for macOS and Linux, maybe?

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