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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by madaxe_again »

ordinary wrote: post #613
m_mueller wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading your law enforcement stories, combined with mostly broken checks and balances due to an arcane election system, judging it from the outside and comparing it with what we have in my home country, I'd say you're not close but you're about half way there. If there was a more sane way to introduce new law into your system, I'd suggest something like 'make it illegal to make their performance reviews depend on the…

Reading your law enforcement stories This is exactly the problem. You read the stories , that is, the exceptional cases. Don't extrapolate from exceptions.

Perhaps the folks who report this stuff are the exceptions. If you find yourself in these scenarios and you're not white, or aware of your rights... who's going to believe the ramblings of some gaolbird?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by madaxe_again »

roryokane wrote: post #510
LiveFrom wrote: post #465

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> This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. You're reading way too much into this. The OP's story is completely unrelated to "hacker" culture or the faux-libertarian belief system that is fashionable in SF/SV. The OP's story is a perfect example of what happens when people who believe they're smarter than everyone else play games with people who don't play games. Nothing more.…

I wouldn’t really say that the OP thought he was smarter than the police officers. He believed could clear up a misunderstanding just by talking – and that may be naive, but it’s not arrogant. Now, if he knew that he had done something wrong and thought he could argue his way out of trouble, that might be thinking he was smarter than those who would get him in trouble. But he was just trying to clear up a misundersta…

Ah, but trying to talk about a situation labels you as an elitist snob, or as Frito put it... "You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded".

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Post by Anderkent »

LiveFrom wrote: post #465
FD3SA wrote: post #309

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much…

> This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. You're reading way too much into this. The OP's story is completely unrelated to "hacker" culture or the faux-libertarian belief system that is fashionable in SF/SV. The OP's story is a perfect example of what happens when people who believe they're smarter than everyone else play games with people who don't play games. Nothing more.…

> They were driven by the underlying belief that he was smarter than the people he was dealing with. With just a little effort he could convince the police officers to see things his way.

Uh, where are you reading all that?

The OP saw a friend being manhandled and didn't understood why. He said he'd like to go home with his friend. He got arrested.

Where's the "I'm smarter than all these people" coming from?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by madaxe_again »

discardorama wrote: post #235
maratd wrote: post #161

When a cop gives you instructions to leave, you leave. Not because the cop is right, but because this shit happens. And if you're naive enough to think that this shit won't happen to you, try not complying with a cop's instructions. Doesn't matter where in the US you happen to be. It's that simple. Look, here's a simple rule. In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky sta…

"In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky stars and leave. " "count your lucky stars" is not what I'm paying my taxes for.

Yeah you are. You're paying taxes because the alternative is the state employing violence on you.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by Yetanfou »

In contrast to this example of abuse of power I'd like to link to an article in a Swedish tabloid which was published today:

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/jan-fick-se-polisens-spaning...

In short it tells the story of s man suddenly receiving police-related messages in a chat program which clearly were not intended for him. As it turned out, a police office had mistakenly added his phone number to the distribution list.

This is how the police officer reacted when confronted with this mistake: '– Oj, oj, oj...vad ska jag säga. Det är naturligtvis djupt olyckligt att de här uppgifterna kommit ut den här vägen. Jag beklagar det verkligen. Det var jag som skrev ett felaktigt mobilnummer och får ta på mig ansvaret för det (...).'

Translated to English: '- Oh, oh, oh... what shall I say. It is of course very unfortunate that these data became public this way. I'm truly sorry. It was me who entered a wrong telephone number and I'll have to take responsibility for this'

While it is in my opinion less than commendable for the police to use this specific chat program (which is known to be as leaky as a rusty bucket) and rather careless to enter a phone number without checking whether the messages actually reach the intended recipient, this police officer does not try to hide his involvement. He takes responsibility for his fault.

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Post by Anderkent »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #467
javajosh wrote: post #319

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We don't have a police state! We have one of the shittiest justice systems in the world that protects bad actors and gives our police unlimited power to abuse their office without fear of repurcussion. However, freedom of speech is still very well protected, and therein lies our hope for peaceful resolution. And you know what, if Aung Yung Suu-Ki is any indication, even if we did live in a totalitarian state, there w…

> I don't believe that a state born of brutality can be anything other than brutal. This is kind of a funny sentiment. Can you name a state that wasn't born of brutality?

Sealand?

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Post by Anderkent »

jessaustin wrote: post #142
dannygarcia wrote: post #77

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Depends on the situation. I've had operators ask if anyone was injured so they wouldn't have to send out an ambulance. Usually, the police are there anyway.

Of the three groups (fire paramedics police) which is most likely to be bored with nothing to do? Of course the cops are going to light the lamps. This nation would have much better policing if we had half as many cops. I had a single day of jury duty two weeks ago and was dumbfounded by how many sheriff's deputies there were wandering around the courthouse in a daze, loitering around the metal detector, setting off…

I'm sorry, but have you been to a dispatch room? I spent a day with in a sherriffs department once and then had went on a ridealong - there's no 'loitering around', arranging a half an hour's break for dinner was difficult.

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Post by teh_klev »

herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Obligatory DK's Police Truck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-hKw9TCEmI

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Post by Anderkent »

jabr wrote: post #598
williamcotton wrote: post #282

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Again, that is terrible advice. Literally all professional literature on the subject suggests the following: Remain calm, be aware of your surroundings, and closely evaluate the scene to protect yourself and others from further injury. Do not move a critically injured person unless instructed by emergency medical professionals. Do not try to drive someone who is critically ill or injured to a hospital unless there is…

You apparently missed the part where he did all of that, and then ended up naked in solitary for 12 hours.

He did all of that except for the part where once the emergency services arrive, get out of the way. Don't let someone bleed out in a cab just because you're too proud to go away once the cops tell you to; they might not have the right, but you can avoid the naked solitary.
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