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Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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> That’s why movies (...) can clear a billion dollars, And yet somehow I still get 30 minutes of ads before a watching a goddamn movie in a cinema.

Just take your seat 30mins later.

Just tell me when the movie starts, not when the ads start.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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> That’s why movies (...) can clear a billion dollars, And yet somehow I still get 30 minutes of ads before a watching a goddamn movie in a cinema.

Theatres need a piece of the pie too :^)

I'm already buying their overpriced popcorn and soda!

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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So, steal from everyone (taxation) whether they want to support or use government-run Facebook, give the money to government-run Facebook, and everything will be great because Government? What incentive does that mechanism have to spur innovation for government-run Facebook? Does the government fund two Facebooks and scale funding based on market share? Or, like what virtually always happens in government, does it me…

Not sure to what extend, if at all, I should engage here, as you do have some strong preconceptions that probably makes it less likely productive. > Steal from everyone (taxation) [...] give the money to government-run Facebook, and everything will be great because Government Not touching this. As an exercise, take it upon yourself to figure out how much it cost per meter (or, I assume more familiar to you -- footbal…

> So what is the service Facebook actually provides then? A way to manage communities and events. A way to find, connect, and communicate with others.

I don’t have Facebook or use any social media (except LinkedIn) and yet I still plan events, connect, and communicate with others. I have not touched a mainstream social media site since probably 2013.

We don't need Facebook, and we especially don’t need to spend a bunch of money on a poorly run government Facebook either.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

I think my brain developed that as a defense mechanism. The web cultivated a certain kind of blindness where I literally don't look at certain parts of pages because my brain has learned that there is never anything useful there. Sometimes I just cannot see things unless I force my eyes to move across the page linearly, top to bottom. This is pathological. Like I find myself not ever looking at the top result in a se…

I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on an add on purpose on a website (I’ve definitely click on one or two a month because of dark patterns). I’m always perplexed as to who is clicking on them because like you they’re just noise I don’t pay attention to.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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> so it's very hard to write selectors against This sounds perfectly matched for an on-device LLM?

The power cost of doing this widely would be staggering, surely?

Not really, no. LLMs get more computationally efficient and hardware gets more power efficient with each passing day. We're already at the point where reasonably competent models can be run a laptop GPU off of battery power. NPUs are even more power efficient, (though a bit slower).

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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> I propose a sane rule for all humans: if you see an ad somewhere, or if you suspect a hidden ad ('influencers' trying to promote something), close the tab immediately and never return to that site. But this very site has lots of ads on it. Up until a few days ago, there was an "Apply to YC Fall 2026" link at the bottom of every page, and the front page usually has ads on it too [0]. So it seems tricky to strictly f…

The difficult thing is people don't want to pay for things. Ads are a way to mitigate that so that people/companies can capture some value that they create.

Yes and no. It's hard to escape ads even by paying for things, with cable TV being a common (though increasingly outdated) example.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Not sure to what extend, if at all, I should engage here, as you do have some strong preconceptions that probably makes it less likely productive. > Steal from everyone (taxation) [...] give the money to government-run Facebook, and everything will be great because Government Not touching this. As an exercise, take it upon yourself to figure out how much it cost per meter (or, I assume more familiar to you -- footbal…

> So what is the service Facebook actually provides then? A way to manage communities and events. A way to find, connect, and communicate with others. I don’t have Facebook or use any social media (except LinkedIn) and yet I still plan events, connect, and communicate with others. I have not touched a mainstream social media site since probably 2013. We don't need Facebook, and we especially don’t need to spend a bun…

HN sure has a different type of crowd compared to ten years ago.

Out of curiosity, what brings you here? Also, what is your favorite AI model?

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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The power cost of doing this widely would be staggering, surely?

Local models are not the same as the giant ones in data centers. They're in about the about the same ballpark as running a AAA game on max settings. Sure, it's more computationally-expensive than running an HTML selection, but it's also not "staggering" by any reasonable stretch.

Even the data-center-grade models are less intensive than people think. We recently installed a heavy-duty AI server (Gaudi2 cluster with 768GB VRAM) to run larger models up to 400B parameters on, and at full load, its power draw is about equivalent to a consumer stove or clothes dryer.

If you're running thousands of those concentrated into a single data center, your aggregate power draw is going to be huge, but a single server is entirely reasonable for a small business, or even a home user, to operate.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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I hate how normal ads seem to be to young people (under age 30). Just seeing TikTok videos secondhand on YouTube the videos seems stuffed with people pushing crap. YouTube channels none are without ads either by YouTube or by the channel owners. Plus the "oh you have an add blocker!!" whining if you dare try to slow the firehose of ads coming at you. Yes I do have an ad blocker because it seems my entire existence is…

Lets be fair, here. Traditional TV was ~40 minutes of content with 20 minutes of ads. I still remember televised holiday movies "presented with limited commercial breaks by Folgers, where the best part of waking up..." or whoever was sponsoring it. Radio stations had to power their transmitters and pay their staff, so they had ads. Newspapers use ads to keep themselves affordable. This has always been a business mode…

Also some TV shows had ads written in. USA network was pretty bad with this with ("White Collar" comes to mind - there are some pretty obvious Ford advertisements in a few eps, "Burn Notice" had very obvious alcohol placements.)
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