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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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This claim that football has always been the "people's game" is in the end sanctimonious romantic nonsense. It's been run for profit all my lifetime, and is barely unaffordable for many people. SPL clubs are not cheap for season tickets either. A Hearts season ticket was at one point dearer than a Man U one. Which is ridiculous. I suppose the Jambos were desperate for the money. If we're talking about games out in th…

> This claim that football has always been the "people's game" is in the end sanctimonious romantic nonsense. I never said that. > If we're talking about games out in the park, then football is "part of a working class community" I never said that though it’s true, it’s not necessary for my argument. > Even if we go back a hundred years, the major clubs were owned by factory owners and other such types. True but irre…

> You have, most of it total nonsense. Best you stop before you show yourself up even more.

I know far more about the early history of association football than you do, pal. I was good friends with Professor Grant Jarvie's parents for years, before they passed away. Prof. Jarvie is the premier authority on sports history in Scotland. I learnt far more off him than I ever would off you, and we've discussed early soccer together. I've also researched some of these things personally. By research, I mean looking at original physical documents in the National Library of Scotland, not Google and Wikipedia.

If all you have to bring to the table is personal abuse, then that is on you, not me.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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What an excellent example of the most Russian thing of all: whataboutism.

Whataboutism is a word invented to deflect any criticism of western hypocrisy. Like antisemitism, its overuse has rendered it toothless.

> Whataboutism is a word invented to deflect any criticism of western hypocrisy.

Factually false. It's a logical fallacy, because you're attempting to manipulate the audience without actually responding to the claim.

> Like antisemitism, its overuse has rendered it toothless.

Also factually false. "Antisemitism" has no agreed-upon definition. "Whataboutism" has a very concrete and well agreed-upon definition: deflecting a an argument by responding with a counter-accusation that is intended to mirror the perceived accusation.

Your whole comment as manipulative, though, so it's not surprising that you would get the definition wrong.

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