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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by stymaar »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #696
stymaar wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the quote is particularly on point in this discussion, but that doesn't make your understanding of Keynes correct (and your misunderstanding doesn't make much sense in the context of this particular discussion either). And I tend to agree with /u/bayindirh that the original optimism of /u/Dylan16807 is baseless. We don't know have things will turn out, but it's absolutely not guaranteed that we'll ever…

Very narrow? The masses could get a computer for almost all the time integrated circuits have been produced. And the entire time, better manufacturing pushed prices down at least every few years. Including RAM going up multiple times. We would have to buck that entire trend on top of having a failure of supply and demand to end up with the current prices being permanent. (And don't be dramatic. Even at current prices…

> Very narrow? The masses could get a computer for almost all the time integrated circuits have been produced.

The “personal computing for the mass” era hadn't even started when I was born, and I don't even consider myself old yet.

> And the entire time, better manufacturing pushed prices down at least every few years.

It's not because something happened before that it will necessarily happen again.

> Even at current prices, computers are available for the masses.

Computers are still available, but for the first time they are significantly less affordable than just a year ago. And nobody's saying the personal computer era is over yet, we're arguing that it's a possibility in the near future, and you won't convince me otherwise by saying “but it has always been like that” because it's not how it works, and because I'm just old enough to know it hasn't.

The “personal computer” has already been mostly replaced by locked-in terminals in the general public, so it's not like this worry is coming out of nowhere.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by Aissen »

awongh wrote: post #699
shakalandy wrote: post #649

Hetzner Founder and CEO Martin Hetzner shared a response to the critics in the Hetzner Forum (user benji) over here: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisi... Translated from German via Claude: "For better understanding, I would like to provide some additional notes: Hetzner Online's pricing strategy has remained unchanged for many years. Our prices are based on the respective purchasing conditi…

afaik prices for the big cloud providers haven't changed this much. Their instance prices are already inflated and they're probably willing to eat into their own margins to keep prices stable and just wait out the capex increase (also probably a drop in the bucket next to the hyperscale rollout). People love to say how great it is for these alt clouds to have lower prices, until they're exposed to market forces with…

People love to say how great these big clouds are, until they discover they've been paying ten times the market price outside of crises.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by [deleted] »

stymaar wrote: post #701
Dylan16807 wrote: post #696

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very narrow? The masses could get a computer for almost all the time integrated circuits have been produced. And the entire time, better manufacturing pushed prices down at least every few years. Including RAM going up multiple times. We would have to buck that entire trend on top of having a failure of supply and demand to end up with the current prices being permanent. (And don't be dramatic. Even at current prices…

> Very narrow? The masses could get a computer for almost all the time integrated circuits have been produced. The “personal computing for the mass” era hadn't even started when I was born, and I don't even consider myself old yet. > And the entire time, better manufacturing pushed prices down at least every few years. It's not because something happened before that it will necessarily happen again. > Even at current…

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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by Jgrubb »

SomeUserName432 wrote: post #610
me551ah wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not just the hyperscalers, it’s also the boom in personal projects being launched. AI has massively decreased the bar to entry, and a lot more people need servers compared to before

Do you believe there are many enough of these at scale to make any meaningful impact? The vast majority of personal projects are not built by those receiving FAANG salaries.

I believe that the explosion of software _production_ in the last 6-12 months in all areas of society is beginning to run headlong into a global bottleneck in the capacity to _deliver_ and _distribute_ that much more software.

Unlike previous boom/bust cycles, I do not believe that demand that's driving the capacity bring-up that's underway right now is going to level off in the near future.

I am personally witnessing teams at my employer that were previously unable to produce software - non-Eng teams - that are now empowered to do so, and some of them are building some cool stuff. I think this is happening at every company everywhere, and I think when we and everyone else solve the "how do we deliver and govern this stuff?" problem there's going to be an even bigger unlock.

Wild times.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by SweetSoftPillow »

lylo wrote: post #569

Hetzner could win back some of that love if they release the long-rumoured managed Postgres offering at a price that undercuts most of the competition.

I've been using their managed PostgreSQL for years. PostgreSQL is available on all of their managed servers (mx**).

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by lschueller »

shakalandy wrote: post #649

Hetzner Founder and CEO Martin Hetzner shared a response to the critics in the Hetzner Forum (user benji) over here: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisi... Translated from German via Claude: "For better understanding, I would like to provide some additional notes: Hetzner Online's pricing strategy has remained unchanged for many years. Our prices are based on the respective purchasing conditi…

Thank you for sharing this statement. In other words, we now experience the secondary costs of the AI boom (and supply chain pressure). It won't get cheaper. I fully understand the decision of Hetzner. And even though I like low prices, the prices are still fair imo.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

dindunuf wrote: post #125
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no AI bubble There is an engineered scarcity, billion dollar companies can't ramp up production? Murica is stuck depending on the good will of Korea and China for thinking rocks? le fucking mao

>billion dollar companies can't ramp up production? you're a semiconductor manufacturer who wants to take advantage of the current boom. your options are: A) invest a hundred cubic meters of money into doubling your manufacturing capacity B) raise prices by 100% I can't really blame them for going with B. the blame lies entirely with America's ability to invest billions of its infinite money into companies that make…

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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by bflesch »

shakalandy wrote: post #649

Hetzner Founder and CEO Martin Hetzner shared a response to the critics in the Hetzner Forum (user benji) over here: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisi... Translated from German via Claude: "For better understanding, I would like to provide some additional notes: Hetzner Online's pricing strategy has remained unchanged for many years. Our prices are based on the respective purchasing conditi…

I'm happy they increase prices if it helps them to stay sustainable and independent. Companies spend millions on US cloud providers and AI subscriptions, but suddenly one of the best hosting options in Europe is not worth 30% more. Especially with regards to the overall cost increases.

Several random anti-Hetzner hate threads have popped up on social media and to me it shows that Hetzner is doing something right.

Nobody wants Hetzner to be bought by Oracle or Amazon.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by dosinga »

bayindirh wrote: post #581
Dylan16807 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the real risk after the slow death of personal computing. By the time you can have a slow death of personal computing, capacity will improve and prices will improve. In the shorter term sitting on an old computer or regressing a couple years on specs or paying an extra $100/$200 for 8GB/16GB works. > Even internet resources like servers will be hoarded by the hyperscalers that are the only ones who can affo…

> By the time you can have a slow death of personal computing, capacity will improve and prices will improve. I love this baseless optimism. Reminds me of the economic theory (forgot who put it forward): Everything will be fine in the long run. ...and it's rebuked by Maynard Keynes: "We're all dead in the long run". Yes, by the time capacity & prices will improve, we'll be all dead. > I don't see why hyperscalers wou…

> ...and it's rebuked by Maynard Keynes: "We're all dead in the long run".

Keynes said that when somebody complained that his theories didn't work in the long run. And the true rebuke is, we're now in the long run and Keynes is dead

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by bflesch »

awongh wrote: post #699
shakalandy wrote: post #649

Hetzner Founder and CEO Martin Hetzner shared a response to the critics in the Hetzner Forum (user benji) over here: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisi... Translated from German via Claude: "For better understanding, I would like to provide some additional notes: Hetzner Online's pricing strategy has remained unchanged for many years. Our prices are based on the respective purchasing conditi…

afaik prices for the big cloud providers haven't changed this much. Their instance prices are already inflated and they're probably willing to eat into their own margins to keep prices stable and just wait out the capex increase (also probably a drop in the bucket next to the hyperscale rollout). People love to say how great it is for these alt clouds to have lower prices, until they're exposed to market forces with…

I think you're making a false comparison. Big cloud providers have many more hidden config settings they can tune to save costs, they are not offering dedicated server with specific hardware. Hetzner's dedicated servers have a specific hardware configuration that you are contractually obligated to.
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