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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by aix1 »

arenaninja wrote: post #420

IMO this is a bigger deal than everyone realizes. If Fable 5/Mythos 5 are considered dangerous enough to invoke export controls on then future models are almost guaranteed to trigger the same process. Locking them down to US citizens is _very_ interesting. I don't think any tech company so far tracks licenses attached to citizenship.

> I don't think any tech company so far tracks licenses attached to citizenship.

Access to certain software being gated on one's citizenship is not at all new.

§ 734.13 Export.

(b) Any release in the United States of “technology” or source code to a foreign person is a deemed export to the foreign person's most recent country of citizenship or permanent residency.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-15/subtitle-B/chapter-VII...

The rule in this form seems to go back to at least mid-1990s.

I held jobs at multiple U.S. companies, not personally working on anything remotely sensitive. My experience has been that it's completely standard practice to be asked to sign some U.S. export control papers.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by StefanBatory »

jari_mustonen wrote: post #539

It seems that the US is consumed by the security state. Each and every aspect of the economy is subjugated to the need to maintain empire. Just to give some random examples: the weaponization of the banking system (kicking Russia out of swift), the semiconductor export ban to China, the TikTok ban, or the blatant over usege of tariffs. Now they are betting that Mythos will provide them with some edge. Personally, I d…

> Just to give some random examples: the weaponization of the banking system (kicking Russia out of swift

I do wonder why that happened. Hmm.

It's almost like Russia invaded Europe...

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by agnosticmantis »

Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: they're coming for your open source models next!

Dario must be popping a champagne tonight as regulatory capture has successfully been initiated.

We've all been debating what moat these labs possess. Today we learn the moat is regulation blocking the usage of foreign open source models.

misAnthropic will soon ask for IDs to give you all a nerfed model, and you have no other choice because deepseek/qwen/Kimi will soon be banned thanks to misAnthropic's efforts to lock us into their regulated product.

We will soon realize the long game that Dario has been playing by painting his own product as an existential risk.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by adamsb6 »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

I lean libertarian but I can recognize the danger in having access to a machine that can craft pathogens to spec.

A pathogen with a very long incubation time and a high fatality rate would be about as bad as nuclear war. Maybe we need to figure out how to possibly defend against one person doing this before making it easy for anyone to do it.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by MASNeo »

While this is regrettable the guardrails were rather sloppy and I managed to do things with Fable that really should not be possible. It seems with all the focus cyber and bio security, threat scenario analysis went out the door.

I guess they will fix the guardrails and then open it up again. Clearly nobody wants dangerous models out there and I can understand the national security concerns. If the restrictions persist even if guardrails are updated, well, perhaps other countries may want to compete for becoming the new home for frontier labs?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jasonfarnon »

geuis wrote: post #508
holmesworcester wrote: post #488

I think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government. Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control. This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They a…

I still remember when Netscape had outdated ssl for a few years because more advanced cryptography was classified by the US gov as armaments or something. Basically used export restrictions to prevent better security technology from being adopted into commercial products.

I'd forgotten all the government attempts at controlling crypto like PGP in the early internet days. It is one straightforward way to look at what's happening here without resorting to speculation about this administration's motives.
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