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Post by dotancohen »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #626
dotancohen wrote: post #497

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> Yes this is the time to buy a domain and own an address for the rest of your life As someone who does use their own domain to receive mail, I am acutely aware of how diligent I must be to never lose that domain. The chances of someone acquiring access to my Gmail account are far lower than me losing the dotancohen.com domain, especially with the cyber attacks against Israeli assets that have been ongoing incessantl…

Change your password from 123456 to correct horse battery staple and you will be safe from cyberattacks. And use noscript.

There exist no-hacking methods of coersing a domain away.

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Post by dotancohen »

reddalo wrote: post #547
teekert wrote: post #503

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I use a .nl domain for my country, luckily it is governed by a trustworthy party and there are strict rules and convenient systems to move domainnames between providers. Agreed that some tlds may indeed be less ideal in that respect.

I agree. I would never host my mail on those new fancy domains which are controlled by a private company. Only use geographic TLDs run by a trustworthy government.

I use a .com.

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Post by dotancohen »

reconnecting wrote: post #556
exitnode wrote: post #506

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Anything can be taken from you at any time. Google can also just delete your account for no obvious reason. I guess that a domain can also be taken away but maybe not that easy. At least you can switch mail providers easily without having to change all your accounts that are based on your mail address.

Google can just block your account for no obvious reason and ask for KYC, which could easily leave you without access to your email for a week. Hope that's not your case, but seeing how irresponsible Google is in its actions, I couldn't tolerate such risks.

I'm less worried about losing access, and more worried about somebody else gaining access.

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Post by klibertp »

vachina wrote: post #454
sshine wrote: post #348

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+1 When I migrated from Gmail to Fastmail years ago, I thought Fastmail felt... less featureful. When I rarely visit my abandoned Gmail, I can't believe I put up with the clunkiness. Lean software stands the test of time. Fastmail hasn't had a noteworthy UI change ever. Minor annoyances: - Clicking an iPhone notification opens the app, but never brings me to the actual email - It is difficult to unfold the full exten…

Why are people accessing emails from the webUI. Email is SMTP and IMAP, use any number of clients to access your email.

The amount of configuration required to rival what's available out of the box in Web clients (especially indexing, searching, filtering, blocking, etc.) is a bit too much for someone who isn't already interested in it. I tried GNUS in Emacs and a few TUI apps; I do like having all my emails accessible locally, but for day-to-day use, web clients are more convenient. I haven't tried Thunderbird or Outlook (if it still has a local version), though, so maybe I'd have all the conveniences I want there - but since I already have them in Fastmail, I just don't have an incentive to switch.

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

ghaff wrote: post #374
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #367

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Mash that unsubscribe button my dude.

I don't want to unsubscribe from everything that I might not be interested in at the moment but may want to skim now and then to various degrees. I find gmail is very effective for that sort of thing. I find gmail's tabs pretty useful.

Maybe just me but I’d rather have and triage a single inbox instead of several. “Oh it’s in my social inbox that’s why I didn’t see it for 5 days”.

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Post by PennRobotics »

sshine wrote: post #348
cadamsdotcom wrote: post #327

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

+1 When I migrated from Gmail to Fastmail years ago, I thought Fastmail felt... less featureful. When I rarely visit my abandoned Gmail, I can't believe I put up with the clunkiness. Lean software stands the test of time. Fastmail hasn't had a noteworthy UI change ever. Minor annoyances: - Clicking an iPhone notification opens the app, but never brings me to the actual email - It is difficult to unfold the full exten…

Fastmail had a UI change a year ago, where they went all "rounded corner" and created unique rows for every message that weren't so easily sorted with Stylus CSS. I emailed them about the changes, and a few weeks later the messages were listed in a way that I could easily apply my own stylesheet again. They also acknowledged on their subreddit the UI change was not incredibly popular (even the CEO was "not enjoying" it) and they took some feedback and provided a few better UX customizations in the options.

At one point, Fastmail had an error parsing Unicode in misconfigured iCal files (Google Calendar showed events correctly) but after a short back-and-forth, they fixed it within a week.

Now, Google Calendar has had a problem with my organization's iCal files for the past four weeks. Submitting a bug report via the help community is very opaque and unhelpful (a la "Have you tried turning if off and on again?"). Fastmail loads the iCal correctly. I have no clue if Google is aware or when they'll ever fix it.

One huge productivity advantage to FM over Gmail? Sort by sender name. (This makes it so easy to bulk apply changes)

Setting up own domain has been straightforward. (It's a bit of work ensuring DNS records have DMARC/DKIM/SPF, but it's all in the FM checklist/documentation.) Setting up Python scripts to auto email me using app passwords has been straightforward. Creating aliases and throwaways is straightforward.

I have not regretted paying for email; specifically, Fastmail.

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Post by ninkendo »

bayindirh wrote: post #693
ninkendo wrote: post #674

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“Great” isn’t how I would describe it. Searching for “delivery” from my inbox, when the third email in my inbox has a literal subject line of “delivery notification”? Zero results. It’s great if you never search for email I guess.

It used to break the search index sometimes, but I experienced it twice at most, and it searches instantly for me, never failed to find an e-mail I was looking for... ...from 5 accounts with at least a decade of history each, incl. my office e-mail.

The problem is the actual architecture Apple uses for search in iOS and macOS. Spotlight powers all of it, and it applications like Mail that need search, do so by donating data to spotlight for indexing.

But that means any spotlight bug is a mail search bug, and a settings search bug, and a “just launch this app” search bug, etc etc etc.

It also means that any bugs caused by one of these applications end up affecting them all. So if Contacts causes an indexer crash, none of your searches anywhere work any more. It’s a super fragile architecture. They did some work to split some of the plugins into separate processes but somehow it always ends up being insufficient.

At least on macOS there are some commands to blow away your spotlight index when it goes bad. On iOS you’re basically screwed unless you wipe and restore the OS.

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Post by multjoy »

vachina wrote: post #454
sshine wrote: post #348

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+1 When I migrated from Gmail to Fastmail years ago, I thought Fastmail felt... less featureful. When I rarely visit my abandoned Gmail, I can't believe I put up with the clunkiness. Lean software stands the test of time. Fastmail hasn't had a noteworthy UI change ever. Minor annoyances: - Clicking an iPhone notification opens the app, but never brings me to the actual email - It is difficult to unfold the full exten…

Why are people accessing emails from the webUI. Email is SMTP and IMAP, use any number of clients to access your email.

I migrated from gmail to Migadu. They have a webmail client, but they make a point that they Do Standards.

They also let you host as many domains as you like and the servers are all EU based.

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Post by computerjoe314 »

soperj wrote: post #96
computerjoe314 wrote: post #64

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Their AI push is what convinced me to leave gmail and go buy my own domain. I don't want it.

what do you use as your client?

I ended up on Zoho because I wanted to be cheap. So far that's worked out well for me.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by computerjoe314 »

kordlessagain wrote: post #3

LinkedIn (the company not the other users) thinks I'm stupid, so I also left it.

The problem is that everybody is told they need to have LinkedIn to get a job in the current market. My college's career department told me I was not going to succeed without it, so I reluctantly created a profile. But I don't want to have one!
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