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Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Its bad for natives and African Americans. The whole system is designed to keep them poor and powerless

progressive with a throwaway account: "We can't expect BIPOC people to pass SATs, because of reasons". The reason is racism.

The evidence shows the opposite, SAT testing allows hardworking/gifted minorities to get ahead.

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The problem is that just like students, teachers are not all created equal. My 3rd grade teacher wanted to fail me for “discipline” problems. In reality, she simply didn’t like me; I had no discipline complaints in other years. I had undiagnosed ADHD and was gifted. She did not know how to deal with that, and actively disliked me. Activist teachers are also a thing.

That happened to me in high school. I was in "advanced" freshman bio. Teacher gave me a B. When my parents inquired during a parent-teacher conference, she said I looked like I wasn't paying attention. Fast forward ten years and the therapist I was seeing for seemingly unrelated reasons diagnoses me with ADHD...

I had a teacher the exact opposite. Completely ruthless about you doing the work, but patient and kind as long as it got done- And very pleasent.

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Multiple things can be true, because the goal is to optimize in aggregate. - Some teachers are bad (and some students will have them) - Overriding teachers with policies intended to control the bad ones impairs and burns out the others Consequently, the reasonable path is somewhere in the middle. Create feedback systems designed to identify and weed out the worse teachers* and avoid overloading everyone else with out…

> identify and weed out the worse teachers By and large, everyone knows. Data might be useful to tell you "hey that longtime great teacher approaching retirement has checked out early" or "the new hire who was struggling last semester has turned the corner" but it's no secret in a school building which teacher everyone hates and which one everyone loves. If you woke up tomorrow and discovered you were an elementary s…

Most teachers have strong union protections. It’s nearly impossible to fire one. Many districts now have a temporary period where they can be removed much easier. Once they have tenure it’s really difficult.

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the SAT is an IQ test, btw. who would have thought that could lead to better results in cognitive fields? shocked. shocked! Now that there is some grudgin recognition of this idea, it might do to remind people that high SAT scores on Verbal are correlated, and salient in non STEM subjects. and that there is no known way to increase scores significantly, neither from early intervention nor sustained practice. And, dep…

> And, depressingly from an egalitarian perspective, there is a strong genetic correlation. No, there isn't. Hope that helps your mood!

Yes there is. Stop drinking the woke-aid.

Look at where advanced civilisations started, and it's clear as night and day.

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Give teachers authority again. It shouldn't be their problem if a student wants to fail the class.

The problem is that just like students, teachers are not all created equal. My 3rd grade teacher wanted to fail me for “discipline” problems. In reality, she simply didn’t like me; I had no discipline complaints in other years. I had undiagnosed ADHD and was gifted. She did not know how to deal with that, and actively disliked me. Activist teachers are also a thing.

I'm not completely convinced that "ADHD" isn't just the natural state of kids who are bored most of the time.

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> And, depressingly from an egalitarian perspective, there is a strong genetic correlation. No, there isn't. Hope that helps your mood!

Yes there is. Stop drinking the woke-aid. Look at where advanced civilisations started, and it's clear as night and day.

Is molecular genetics woke now?

(Or are you just trolling me? If that's what it is, I have it coming, but I can't tell.)

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that just like students, teachers are not all created equal. My 3rd grade teacher wanted to fail me for “discipline” problems. In reality, she simply didn’t like me; I had no discipline complaints in other years. I had undiagnosed ADHD and was gifted. She did not know how to deal with that, and actively disliked me. Activist teachers are also a thing.

I'm not completely convinced that "ADHD" isn't just the natural state of kids who are bored most of the time.

Boredom and ADHD are comorbid (maybe obviously), but ADHD is a real thing.

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I can’t help comparing this to the system I grew up in (Italy), which is vastly different and it seemingly produces very good graduates.

University was free and there was no test for enrolling in STEM degrees, and you could retry exams every semester as much as you wanted to. But goddamit exams were HARD and if you weren’t prepared enough you would keep failing until you gave up. We weren’t entitled because we weren’t paying customers.

Also because Italy is Italy we had unlimited beer and wine on tap in the canteen. For real.

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> And, depressingly from an egalitarian perspective, there is a strong genetic correlation. No, there isn't. Hope that helps your mood!

Yes there is. Stop drinking the woke-aid. Look at where advanced civilisations started, and it's clear as night and day.

Egypt in Africa? Mesopotamia aka modern Iraq? India? China?

Looking at that you'd have to wonder how ever it ended with Whitey on the Moon.

Maybe there are other factors at play.

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Yes there is. Stop drinking the woke-aid. Look at where advanced civilisations started, and it's clear as night and day.

Egypt in Africa? Mesopotamia aka modern Iraq? India? China? Looking at that you'd have to wonder how ever it ended with Whitey on the Moon . Maybe there are other factors at play.

It is indeed awfully difficult to explain the genetically determined part of European civilizational dominance given that we were getting our asses handed to us by the Abbassids less than an eyeblink ago in genetic timescales.
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