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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by ZeWaka »

jim33442 wrote: post #677
tedivm wrote: post #8

It really has been remarkable watching GitHub just crumble as an organization. There's a lot of discussion about why: the switch from being independent to being part of Microsoft, having resources pushed to Copilot instead of core service, the organization structure itself, a reliance on vibe coding, etc etc. Regardless of the reason, it's undeniable that GitHub is facing some serious issues. The unofficial status pa…

Have those outages actually been blocking your work? Somehow I haven't even noticed, just seen complaints on HN. I'm not saying it's not real, just wondering where the gap is.

Mostly the Actions outages, but yes.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by woolion »

noir_lord wrote: post #58
mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

There isn't inherently wrong with loving a tool or been sad when it it becomes something you can't love anymore, we are tool using monkeys after all - it is perhaps our defining characteristic. I'd be absolute crushed if Linux (for example) morphed into something I could not/no longer wanted to use, part of the reason I use open source wherever I can is because that is less likely to happen, Inkscape is still inkscap…

KDE's hard-switch to Wayland broke so many things in my workflows, from what used to be a perfect system. For keyboard expansions espansso/ydotools crash bi-hourly and I couldn't pinpoint the source, clipboard sharing between applications doesn't work anymore, global shortcuts have been limited... The essence is the same, but it is so broken that it has a real productivity impact that will require a lot of effort to correct, and would depend on upstream fixes...

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

sergiotapia wrote: post #57

Github was not built for a world where its userbase quadrupled and are pumping in generated slop at non-stop pace.

As a former user, I couldn't care less about their slop growth as I have no stake in them growing their slop.

It doesn't work if it doesn't work.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

ngrilly wrote: post #698
_doctor_love wrote: post #138

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> insider perspective on this I do not work at MSFT but I don't feel that I need insider perspective to understand what's going on. GitHub is being managed the way other services get managed once they're bought by big companies. Initially fine, then starts to decline, then eventually craters. Everything becomes the numbers game. Microsoft, Oracle, VMware, CA (where software goes to die), Salesforce, the list goes on.…

I'm afraid this is a form of reversion to the mean. Successful startups are made of exceptional people: the founders, the initial investors, the first employees, the first clients. But when they get acquired by much larger companies, they are necessarily diluted in pool of people that are more "normal", less exceptional. This includes the customer base that is more "normal" as well. Slowly but surely, the extraordina…

I use only self hosted free software. Admittedly it's not for everyone. But solves the issue for me.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by Sander_Marechal »

siva7 wrote: post #201
fcoury wrote: post #171

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Holy crap, just found out I am 1371. Wow.

I'm wondering now how the heck we ended up so early on Github. It was back then just a small unknown startup but i'm not sure what connection we first 30,000 users share. At the same time i remember there must have been also some connection to Y Combinator back in 2008. Is there a way to see my own history of probably first commits or activity on Github? Oh, i found out. It was the early Rails Community on Github. Th…

145XXX and I am on the other side of the world, no connection to SV at all

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by sifex »

vetler wrote: post #705

Have not had such big outage issues as what's described here, although I have noticed more stability issues lately. Is this worse while Europe is sleeping maybe?

Typically we see it when the US comes online, we’ll see 500s on availability across all of GitHub — either corroborated by number of active users, number of updates GitHub is pushing (being a mainly US company), or a combination of both.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by rightsideworry »

gen220 wrote: post #348
fabiensanglard wrote: post #93

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Wow. According to the current metric (87.25% uptime), github suffers a partial outage 3h/day. https://onlineornot.com/uptime-calculator/87.25

In their defense, they dramatically "over"-report sev-2/3's (things like, avatar urls are not loading in saudi arabia), which makes their cumulative uptime look much worse than it is. If you filter for major/critical outages, their uptime of core services in trailing 12 months all have two 9's. https://isgithubcooked.com/?severities=major.critical Also, a huge part of their cumulatively-bad availability story is copi…

That is a much more reasonable look, I am glad you alleviated our wor-

Why is the graph more dense on the right side?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by traceroute66 »

mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

> I'm sure folks will make fun of me for this

To be honest, the blog post is quite a lot of self-indulgent waffle. But I forgive you for that, "each to their own", as they say.

What I won't forgive you for is writing such a long blog post and then completely missing the bottom-line.

Do not write "I'll share more details about where the Ghostty project will be moving to in the coming months".

If you're going to make me read such a long blog post, then at least have an answer ready-to-go for the critical question that everybody is going to ask !

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by aa-jv »

vhodges wrote: post #263
rapind wrote: post #181

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1,202 if we're bragging. TBH I'm not super invested in github. I pay for it (smallest plan) and use it as a repository and for forking other projects occasionally, and for hosting some small-time static sites. I've never really needed any of it's other features. Every time I go to github.com there's more and more cruft though, which to me means that I'm not their target customer and they will inevitably either aliena…

I am 22095 on GH but 213 on Sourceforge :-D I have a 5 digit user id on Slashdot as well (~20k mark if I recall).

3-digit Slashdot user id, reporting in.

I, too, wish Slashdot was worth visiting again. I spent so, so many years there, enjoying the hell out of it since it was Chips&Dips ...

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