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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by cyh555 »

jdboyd wrote: post #681

I certainly understand the value of replaceable batteries. OTOH, I'm concerned about what this will mean for how many common upper end phones are IP67 submersion rated. I don't want that to go back to being a feature only of clunky super expensive phones, and I would rather have IP67 over a replaceable battery. Now, if I'm lucky, they will mandate both a replaceable battery and that the phones be ip55 or better, afte…

You will need to have a factory to replace the battery and also run tests to prove that the phone still works with water then

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Post by Postosuchus »

cmos wrote: post #142

What if we regulate batteries even more? i.e. what if, in some magical perfect world, the world get's together and agrees on batteries for phones like how we agree on AA,AAA,D,C batteries? Even more though.. a standard connector, a standard comms bus, a variety of sizes, and they were designed for reuse as efficiently as possible. Now we can scale up volume, swap them out, be free to purchase from a different manufac…

That's an excellent idea! It will work out absolutely great - much like Communism.

Meaning, when you forcefully standardize and regulate how phones are built, you might expect that companies will not compete on making better phones (since they are not very much differentiated) but on who produces the cheapest phone.

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Post by ycombinatrix »

CarlJW wrote: post #703

What good is a replaceable battery if the device becomes obsoleted by changing communication standards first? How long before 4G and 5G are phased out? What if we could have forward compatibility in our mobile network protocols?

one step at a time

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Post by garbagewoman »

tombert wrote: post #603
PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

Batteries have been used as part of planned obsolescence for too long and a whole small business industry of replacing phone batteries has appeared because of it. Next the EU are going to have to address security patches because its another aspect being used to sell new phones.

I dunno, my wife has has the same iPhone 11 Pro Max since 2020. She had to get the battery replaced once at an Apple store, which I believe cost $99, and it took like thirty minutes and it wasn't that hard. I'll admit it's a little annoying that I have to pay a hundred bucks to get the battery replaced, but the phone is otherwise fine and still gets updates, so I don't know that I buy that it's "planned obsolescence"…

Wow that’s ridiculous compared to a user replaceable battery

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Post by petterroea »

virtualritz wrote: post #650
kolinko wrote: post #625

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With cameras you don't care about every mm of width, nor about how resistant it is to falls. With phones you do. I, for one, don't welcome that change. I'd be ok with paying someone a bit extra to replace the battery. I mean, I'd be ok if I had a battery die in my phone in the last 10 years, which I don't remember it did.

Not sure what replacable has to do with thickness. When I bought my first smartpone, a Moto G (1st gen) it was as flat as any phone most people carried around at the time (2014, I think). And the battery was replaceable. I think also Samsung phones had replaceable batteries then. And this was the case for a few years after. Until it wasn't. Devices didn't suddenly get thin when batteries were glued in. Why would they…

The Samsung S5 was very thin. Too thin imo. And it had a replaceable battery

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tombert wrote: post #603
PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

Batteries have been used as part of planned obsolescence for too long and a whole small business industry of replacing phone batteries has appeared because of it. Next the EU are going to have to address security patches because its another aspect being used to sell new phones.

I dunno, my wife has has the same iPhone 11 Pro Max since 2020. She had to get the battery replaced once at an Apple store, which I believe cost $99, and it took like thirty minutes and it wasn't that hard. I'll admit it's a little annoying that I have to pay a hundred bucks to get the battery replaced, but the phone is otherwise fine and still gets updates, so I don't know that I buy that it's "planned obsolescence"…

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Post by gnabgib »

petterroea wrote: post #707
virtualritz wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what replacable has to do with thickness. When I bought my first smartpone, a Moto G (1st gen) it was as flat as any phone most people carried around at the time (2014, I think). And the battery was replaceable. I think also Samsung phones had replaceable batteries then. And this was the case for a few years after. Until it wasn't. Devices didn't suddenly get thin when batteries were glued in. Why would they…

The Samsung S5 was very thin. Too thin imo. And it had a replaceable battery

I'm not sure about too thin (although I switched to the qi-charging back after a year), the replacements /where/ thinner.. but lost the IR blaster, replaceable battery, eventually μSD housing, eventually headphone jack.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by kalleboo »

protimewaster wrote: post #133
nslsm wrote: post #112

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In the meantime, my daily driver here in reality land: https://i.imgur.com/8yEEJVb.png

That has not been my experience, at least with Apple laptops. Even when rated for 1000 cycles, I'll get the warning that service is needed (AFAIK that means 80% capacity or lower) well before then. I've seen this on several, but the one I just checked is at just under 670 cycles and has had that warning up for some months already. Maybe iPhones are better about this, though, I don't know. But I definitely don't have…

AppleCare covers the 80% capacity/1000 cycles rating, so I always keep an eye on my battery around 1000 cycles praying it will drop under 80% so I can get a new battery for free under AppleCare, and have yet to manage it
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