The government raised taxes, consumers paid the costs, and companies will take the spoils. I don’t think this is what people voting MAGA intended, but will they realize that they got screwed?
Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs
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Sounds like communism to me.
Socialism, you mean, not communism. This is a way of spending taxes on the public, the kind Denmark does. It isn't "no private property; everything belongs to the govt". Also, if we are redistributing taxes to fund endless wars and subsidizing almond/avocado farmers, and propping up public money to ensure banks don't collapse, we are already in socialist territory. Have always been. But God forbid we spend the money…
I was joking
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#703Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Absolutely absurd that we’re at this point. It's not really, this is the result of having a flawed democratic system. What do Turkey, Philippines, Russia, Belarus, Hungary, Nicaragua, etc and now US have all in common? They are ALL presidential or semi-presidential republics where a single person "rules" without needing to face opposition in a parliament nor even requiring support from its own party. Winner-takes-a…
France has arguably the most presidential regime of the OECD, while it's not without faults it's not horrible either. Parliamentary regimes optimize for coalition stability which weakens them and forces to always take the path of least resistance, which isn't usually the best one.
I don't know about that, somehow Macron is still around. Who knows what he will come up with to extend his time while having zero support.
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#705Earlier quoted context omitted.
The latest temporary tariffs are also likely illegal.
Justice delayed is justice denied. There should be an express lane for litigation similar actions like this.
There is an express lane, it's reserved for the government appealing cases, in which any and all injunctions are halted because the court has unilaterally decided to interpret "not being able to do illegal shit" as "great harm" while there is no harm in sending people to torture prisons abroad on the flimsiest of evidence.
They sure took their time with this one.
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#706So effectively US citizens have been paying an extra tax, which money flowed to certain companies.
I can't wait to hear the justifications that will follow from the Trump government.
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#707Putting aside the discussions of who will actually see any money returned, I will note that this haul covers about 100 days of war with Iran. ($1 Billion per day is the initial assessment from the Pentagon.) [0] For anyone who was still under the illusion that the tariffs would make any impact on the government debt, hopefully this illustrates that both the tariffs and the ridiculous DOGE effort were never really abo…
DOGE was about funding Golden Dome back when Elon thought he was getting the contract
DOGE was about breaking things as much as you can. Especially those that were working and not under Trumps control.
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#708The government raised taxes, consumers paid the costs, and companies will take the spoils. I don’t think this is what people voting MAGA intended, but will they realize that they got screwed?
Most likely they will put the blame on the 'disloyal' supreme court and not on Trump.
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#710For friends there, be strong. It seems it has not being an easy period. But also remember, no one wants a conflict. Good luck there!