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Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Night_Thastus »

anonym29 wrote: post #671
Night_Thastus wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't think the common consumer thinks that the leap from a regular Android or Apple smartphone to something 'more open' is the leap from a horse-drawn carriage to an automobile. That's fantasy thinking.

You seem to be misinterpreting the implication. The implication is that the consumer would never ask for what they actually want, because the consumer can't even conceive the possibility of what they really want being available. Ask an exercise, ask yourself this: if you could offer every iPhone or Android shopper the choice between their current OS, and an otherwise exactly identical one that just wasn't listening t…

The average consumer wants a phone with their personal balance of:

* Feature

* Price

* Looks/status

Everything else is completely irrelevant. Now, what features and what looks varies over time. But something as intangible as being 'more open' or 'more private' just isn't significant for most people. People on HN care. Average consumers do not. It's too ethereal and meaningless.

If a new phone or service had a specific certification, like how IP certifications work for waterproofing, then that might change. If it was certified by a third party that X phone with Y service would never sell your data in Z ways.

But without something concrete, it's irrelevant.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by turf_penguin »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

I am worried the partnership with a large corporate will influence security negatively.

Perhaps over time not immediate but execs and data harvesting, backdoors... I feel like it always goes one way and it's not the way a security conscious person would go.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by turf_penguin »

theLiminator wrote: post #693
Grimblewald wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does and increasingly will. I've got my non techiterate friends and famkly getting quite concerned about privacy and de-googling. This is something that would on some level be appealing to all. Even if they cannot appreciarw the full depth. Hell, android enjoyed much love because of open it was. Now that google has decided to put an end to that, so too does end android love.

I doubt that more than 5% of the population knows what open source means.

It doesn't matter how many know what open source means - they all use it in some manner after all.

Take away open source and there would barely be a large tech company left standing.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by al_borland »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

Only if they can make it easy to use without compromising on what makes GrapheneOS what it is.

I’m in the Apple ecosystem, but was curious about it after hearing so many people talk about it. Linus Tech Tips made a video on it a while back and for those who don’t want to tinker, it sounded like it could be a bit of a nightmare. At my age, I’m not looking for my phone to become a hobby.

This generally means sensible defaults for the 80%, settings for the 95%, and then more settings just behind the curtain for the 5% who really want to tinker or to cover the one-gaps from choices made for the 95%.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by jorvi »

bambax wrote: post #151
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

Agreed. That could be pretty cool. Motorola devices are already solid and reasonnably priced; if they had a GrapheneOS line that would just be fantastic.

Motorola devices are terrible due to Motorola's update policy. Usually only 1-2 new Android versions max and then 2-3 years of quarterly security updates.

For this GrapheneOS partnership to work, Graphene would need enough control of the software stack to offer around 7 years of updates.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by turf_penguin »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #662
chpatrick wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that sells phones.

It does to a certain audience: the people who care about privacy, security and freedom. I suspect that as time goes on our numbers will only increase.

Agreed graphene is the only reason I picked up a Pixel. Google phone would have been a no thanks from me otherwise.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by greazy »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #423

A Moto phone with GrapheneOS and the "chop / chop" gesture[0] to turn on the flashlight would be a dream. I'm, shamefully, an adherent to Moto hardware now because of that silly gesture. I use it multiple times a day. I had a friend with a late model Pixel try to replicate the functionality and he couldn't come up with a way to do it. It's silly, but it's too handy. [0] https://en-us.support.motorola.com/app/answers/…

The chop chop gesture is amazing. I love my G3 unfortunately it stopped recieving updates :( some apps are starting to get funky in weird ways

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by negative_zero »

strcat wrote: post #270
adrian_b wrote: post #175

Motorola was already in my top position in the list of possible upgrades for my old (ASUS) phone, for providing at moderate prices USB 3 connectivity and DisplayPort 1.4 that allows the connection of an external monitor, for a desktop mode. With this announcement, Motorola has consolidated its top position, making it unlikely for me to choose something else.

Bear in mind it will solely be future devices which are supported. They're being developed and aren't launched yet.

Any chance of having a finger print scanner on the back of the phone?

I personally really dislike the screen ones. They're slower, less reliable and the location is unnatural.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by hrmtst93837 »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #4

Alas that in the US it is seemingly impossible to get unlocked bootloaders now. I'm trying to figure out what couple-year-old international phone to buy now. Good on Motorola. Incredibly smart to tap these passionate geniuses.

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by adamnemecek »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

Gradually develop an OS that is not just an Android fork, but a full blown OS people can contribute to. And of course write it in Rust, like the problems with Java are so apparent in Android.
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