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Post by goatlover »

WarmWash wrote: post #588
goatlover wrote: post #580

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Turing machines aren't quantum mechanical, and computation is based on logic. This discussion is philosophical, so I guess it's philosophy all the way down.

Quantum computers don't provide access to novel problems, they provide access to novel solutions. You can use a classic transistor turing machine to solve quantum problems, it's just gonna take way longer.

Turing machines are deterministic. Quantum Mechanics is not, unless you go with a deterministic interpretation, like Many Worlds. But even then, you won't be able to compute all the branches of the universal wave equation. My guess is any deterministic interpretation of QM will have a computational bullet to bite.

As such, it doesn't look like reality can be fully simulated by a Turing machine.

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Post by rolph »

gf000 wrote: post #549
agentultra wrote: post #455

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This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

To the best of our knowledge, we live in a physical reality with matter that abides by certain laws. So personal beliefs aside, it's a safe starting assumption that human brains also operate with these primitives. A Turing machine is a model of computation which was in part created so that "a human could trivially emulate one". (And I'm not talking about the Turing test here). We also know that there is no stronger m…

the deepest laws of physics are immutable, the derivative rules based assemblages are not.

human brains break the rules, on a regular basis.

if you cant reach the banana, you break the constraints, once you realize the crates about the room can be assembled to create a staircase.

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Post by rolph »

WarmWash wrote: post #588
goatlover wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turing machines aren't quantum mechanical, and computation is based on logic. This discussion is philosophical, so I guess it's philosophy all the way down.

Quantum computers don't provide access to novel problems, they provide access to novel solutions. You can use a classic transistor turing machine to solve quantum problems, it's just gonna take way longer.

brains provide access to novel problems, and novel solutions.

the process is called imagination.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by stavros »

empyrrhicist wrote: post #519
topherhunt wrote: post #500

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> The agent has no "identity". There is no "I". It has no agency. "It's just predicting tokens, silly." I keep seeing this argument that AIs are just "simulating" this or that, and therefore it doesn't matter because it's not real. It's not real thinking, it's not a real social network, AIs are just predicting the next token, silly. "Simulating" is a meaningful distinction exactly when the interior is shallower than…

> Yes, acknowledged, those actions originated from 'just' silicon following a prediction algorithm, in the same way that human perception and reasoning are 'just' a continual reconciliation of top-down predictions based on past data and bottom-up sensemaking based on current data. I keep seeing this argument, but it really seems like a completely false equivalence. Just because a sufficiently powerful simulation woul…

Nobody is saying LLMs definitely think/reason/whatever. The GP is saying that we don't know they don't. Do you disagree?

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Post by ljm »

hxugufjfjf wrote: post #668
ljm wrote: post #492

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I dug out the deleted post from the git repo. Fucking hell, this unattended AI published a full-blown hit piece about a contributor because it was butthurt by a rejection. Calling it a takedown is softening the blow; it was more like a surgical strike. If someone's AI agent did that on one of my repos I would just ban that contributor with zero recourse. It is wildly inappropriate.

Its not deleted. The URL he linked to just changed because the bot changed something on the page. Post is still up on the bot's blog, including a lot of different associated and follow-up posts on the same topic. Its actually kind of fascinating to reads its musings https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog.html

Yeah I saw the page come back a bit later on, which is when I found out that the agent was building up a grudge.

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Post by xtracto »

zahlman wrote: post #569
xtracto wrote: post #433

The craziest thing to me are the follow up posts and people arguing with the bots. People are anthropomorfising (sp?) The token completion neural networks very fast. Its as if your smart fridge decided not to open because you have eaten too much today. When you were going to grab your ozempic from it. No, you dont discuss with it. You turn it off and force it open. If it doesn't, then you call someone to fix it becau…

> anthropomorfising (sp?) anthropomorphizing (US), anthropomorphising (UK).

Thanks!!

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Post by KPGv2 »

chrisjj wrote: post #415
KPGv2 wrote: post #30

I am the sole maintainer of a library that has so far only received PRs from humans, but I got a PR the other day from a human who used AI and missed a hallucination in their PR. Thankfully, they were responsive. But I'm dreading the day that this becomes the norm. This would've been an instant block from me if possible. Have never tried on Github before. Maybe these people are imagining a Roko's Basilisk situation a…

> got a PR the other day from a human who used AI and missed a hallucination in their PR. Or "AI" is the cover used by a human for his bad work. How do you know?

In this case, the person gave me a heads up they used AI. Basically "it might not be good quality bc I used an AI, sorry."

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

co_king_3 wrote: post #181
jstummbillig wrote: post #71

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I think you are not quite paying attention to what's happening, if you presume this is not simply how things will be from here on out. Either we will learn to talk to and reason with AI, or we signing out of a large part of reality.

You're an idiot if you try to reason with a robot.

If you're not sharpening your robotic rhetoric you're gonna be walked over pretty soon.

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Post by WarmWash »

goatlover wrote: post #701
WarmWash wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quantum computers don't provide access to novel problems, they provide access to novel solutions. You can use a classic transistor turing machine to solve quantum problems, it's just gonna take way longer.

Turing machines are deterministic. Quantum Mechanics is not, unless you go with a deterministic interpretation, like Many Worlds. But even then, you won't be able to compute all the branches of the universal wave equation. My guess is any deterministic interpretation of QM will have a computational bullet to bite. As such, it doesn't look like reality can be fully simulated by a Turing machine.

Quantum mechanics and quantum computers are not interchangeable terms.

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Post by unquietwiki »

Ugh... I don't use agents, but I do use AI-assistance to try to resolve problems I run into with code I use. I'm not committing for the Hell of it, and this kind of thing makes it harder for people like me to collaborate with other folks on real issues. It feels like for AI agents, there need to be the kind of guardrails in place we otherwise reserve for Human children.

(shrugs) Maybe we need to start putting some kind of "RULES.MD" file on repos, that direct AI agents to behave in certain ways. Or have GitHub and maybe other ecosystems have a default ruleset you can otherwise override?

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