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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by SoftTalker »

swiftcoder wrote: post #601
koolba wrote: post #339

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> There are ways to do better. A national holiday for elections has been mentioned countless times. Sure. But let’s get rid of all early voting and mail in balloting. No excuses right? Throw in voter id too. > We could do like Australia and mandate required voting. I never quite understand why mandatory participation is a meaningful goal. If people are neither informed nor interested, why do you want them to have a s…

> Why do you want everyone up to and including rapists, pedophiles, and murders voting? About half of all folks in US prisons are there for non-violent crimes, and we're talking about a relatively small percentage of voters anyway. Maybe ~3 million added to the ~244 million eligible voters

For a consequence to be effective, you have to lose something. If you go to prison, the big thing you lose is freedom of movement. But other things, such as who you live with, what you eat, and the ability to vote are other things.

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Post by PunchyHamster »

robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

probably about 6 months after people start screaming about the issue

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Post by PunchyHamster »

teo_zero wrote: post #427
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

> how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician At least 25 years. That's the time passed since the first introduction of Eurion marks on banknotes. As far as I know, noone has used it to block reproduction of anything oth…

Suuure buddy, we just need to throw away every gun and introduce new ones with special marks telling software not copy.

Go ahead, try that

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Post by ddtaylor »

gambiting wrote: post #655
ddtaylor wrote: post #510

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AnyCubic AMS is great

I had the Kobra S1 with the ACE Pro and I couldn't get rid of the thing fast enough, probably the worst electronic device I have ever owned in my entire life. In 8 months with it I completed one multi-colour print, and that was only with ~30 filament changes - to be fair to Anycubic, their support has been excellent and they kept shipping me more and more parts to replace, none of which would solve the fundamental is…

I have a friend that runs a small print farm and he had similar issues, but I didn't know if it was a one off. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by SoftTalker »

Dig1t wrote: post #487
Neeek wrote: post #288

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Do you have any evidence that any significant number of Americans want this restriction on 3D printers?

When you vote for people who have a regulatory mentality, you tend to get a government that responds to any problem with regulation.

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Post by mayhemducks »

pjbk wrote: post #128
pjc50 wrote: post #33

This is insanely stupid stuff. Even the UK with our weird panic over Incredibly Specific Knives hasn't tried to do this kind of technical restriction to prevent people printing guns. Why not? Because nobody is printing guns! It's an infeasible solution to a non-problem! Someone should dig into who this is coming from and why. The answers are usually either (a) they got paid to do it by a company selling the tech, whi…

People print guns and gun parts. More than you think. Now even more since metal printing is starting to become affordable. I print grip and grip attachments for my 9mms and my AR15, trigger guards, barrel clamps, etc. I also find it stupid since, as the article suggests, what kind of algorithm can you implement to do smart detection of something that could be potentially dangerous? Will it also detect negative space?…

This is my attempt to answer your question about "what kind of algorithm can you implement to detect something dangerous". Disclaimer though, I agree that the proposed regulation is way too broad and will have unintended consequences as written.

If you look at how Apple detects contraband imagery, they hash every image that gets uploaded into the photos app. Those hashes are transmitted to servers that compare them to hashes of known contraband.

A similar system could theoretically be used for STL files. So it isn't about detecting exact shapes, it's about preventing printing of STL files that are already known to be dangerous. This would make it harder to illegally manufacture parts for weapons because it would make it much harder to share designs. If you didn't have the knowledge or skill to design a reliable FCU, you would have to find a design someone with that knowledge and skill created - which the printer could theoretically detect with a cryptographic signature.

As the original author of the post pointed out though, this could and would be bypassed by actual criminals. As with most things like this, it's probably impossible to prevent entirely, only to make it more difficult.

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Post by Tangurena2 »

Roark66 wrote: post #687
ptorrone wrote: post #642

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(posting this in both comments about this) i am the author of the article. the adafruit blog is not trying to block you my dude(s). we are under constant automated scraping and ddos, largely from ai crawlers, and we use cloudflare to keep the site online at all. the nature of of these things will cause false positives depending on browser, extensions, network, or referrer. the site publishs full-text rss feeds with n…

Cloudflare is ridiculous. I can't even open it using Cromite (privacy enhanced, but not over the top, android browser). I get: blog.adafruit.com Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds. blog.adafruit.com needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding. And this hangs forever. What difference does it make if I access this site using a browser (blocked anyway) or I asked my LLM to fetch t…

My office uses ZScalar and lots of sites automatically block that because the company running the product make the product seem like an "open anonymous proxy".

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Post by ActorNightly »

int_19h wrote: post #422
ActorNightly wrote: post #386

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>. 2A is to stop that situation from ever happening. Is the government starts shooting we will shoot back The fact that ICE are still parading around on the street has put in a nail in the coffin that 2A is absolutely pointless. If anything, USA citizens deserve to have their guns taken away forcibly just because they could use them but didn't.

The problem is that the people with guns also happen to be, by and large, the people who very much support what ICE is doing. Whereas those who oppose it have enthusiastically disarmed themselves.

Even more reason to take away guns from people.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

AlOwain wrote: post #538
teo_zero wrote: post #427

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> how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician At least 25 years. That's the time passed since the first introduction of Eurion marks on banknotes. As far as I know, noone has used it to block reproduction of anything oth…

That isn't true though, coupons, boarding passes, and even confidential documents use Eurion marks. It's not everywhere because it isn't worthwhile going through the hassle of getting printers that can print them; while 3D printing OEM parts would be much more valuable.

When flying with easyJet, we can just print boarding passes using any old printer. As long as the number matches up, no security is required.
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