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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Who knows who did what on this island, and I hope we'll figure it out. But in the meantime, going to this island or/and being friend with Epstein doesn't automatically make someone a pedo or rapist.

As part of the irrational mob that is out to find the witch, you are just being too rational. Down vote!

Ignoring mountains of circumstantial evidence isn't rational either.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Finally, someone is taking action against the CSAM machine operating seemingly without penalty.

It's also a massive problem on Meta. Hopefully this action isn't just a one-off.

Does Meta publish it themselves or is it user–generated?

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>But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design. Platforms moderating illegal content is exactly what we are arguing about, so you can't use it as an argument. The rest cases you list are harms to the people using the tools/products. It is not harms that people using the tools inflict on third parties. We are literally arguing about 3d printer…

That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different

No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Frankly it sounds to me like a "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" kind of operation. France and the UK, and judging by yesterday's speech by the PM of Spain maybe the whole EU might be looking to do what China and Russia did earlier on and start cracking down on foreign social media by making it impossible to operate without total alignment with their vision and not just their (new) rules. Together with a…

Yes, if you don't follow EU laws prepare to not do business in Europe. Likewise, if you don't follow US laws I'd advise against trying to do business in USA.

If X/Twitter was to be banned in the EU, and some of its citizens still wanted to access X/Twitter, let us say for the sake of getting alternative points of view on politics and news, would it be a good or a bad thing if accessing X/Twitter by IP was stopped?

As in, a citizen of an EU country types x.com/CNN, because he or she wants to know the other side of some political issue between the EU and the USA, and he or she feels that the news in the EU might be biased or have misunderstood something. Would it be good or bad if the user was met with a "This website is by law not available within the EU"?

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if a user uses a tool to break the law it's on the person who broke the law not the people who made the tool. knife manufacturers aren't to blame if someone gets stabbed right?

This seems different. With a knife the stabbing is done by the human. That would be akin to a paintbrush or camera or something being used to create CSAM. Here you have a model that is actually creating the CSAM. It seems more similar to a robot that is told to go kill someone and does so. Sure, someone told the robot to do something, but the creators of the robot really should have to put some safeguards to prevent…

one time is perhaps excusable as the robot's creators didn't know that would happen. If it happens and the creator then advertises the robot can kill people, of course he's now a criminal

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Enforcement of anti-CSAM law has been a significant thing for a long time. It's in no way "only now". Even the "free speech" platforms banned it because they knew they would get raided otherwise. There are long standing tools for dealing with it, such as a database of known hashes of material. There's even a little box you can tick in Cloudflare to automatically check outgoing material from your own site against that…

> What's new is that X automated the production of obscene or sexualised images by providing grok.

Yes we are now dealing with an automated Photoshop. And somehow the people in charge have decided to do something about it, probably more for political or maybe darker reasons.

So let me make a suggestion: maybe France or the EU should ban its citizen from investing in the upcoming SpaceX/xAI IPO, and also Microsoft, NVIDIA, OpenAI, Google, Meta, Adobe, etc. ?

Hit them hard at the money level... it wouldn't be more authoritarian than something like ChatControl or restricting access to VPNs.

And actually all the mechanisms are already in place to implement something like that.

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It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.

I think you are going a bit too far. Let's start from the beginning, create and own: You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. You created that and own that. Thas has always been illegal ?! (This is apart from my feelings on Mechahitler/Grok, which aren't positive.)

> You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper.

Is twitter a piece of paper in your desk? No, it's not.

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You cannot build a CSAM generator, period. CSAM means Child Sexual Abuse Material -- material created through the sexual abuse of children. If it came out of a generator, it is not, by definition, Child Sexual Abuse Material.

CSAM is the woke word for child pornography, and it's a bad word, like how pedophiles should be called pedophiles and not MAPs. The original term, child pornography, is better.

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> if requested by a savvy user Grok brought that thought all the way to "... so let's not even try to prevent it." The point is to show just how aware X were of the issue, and that they chose to repeatedly do nothing against Grok being used to create CSAM and probably other problematic and illegal imagery. I can't really doubt they'll find plenty of evidence during discovery, it doesn't have to be physical things. Th…

Grok does try to prevent it. They even publicly publish their safety prompt. It clearly shows they have disallowed the system from assisting with queries that create child sexual abuse material. The fact that users have found ways to hack around this is not evidence of X committing a crime. https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/blob/main/grok_4_saf...

Is there evidence this is the real prompt?

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In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

hold on, are you saying that you should be able to be jailed for manipulation? Where would that end? could i be jailed if i post a review for a restaurant if you feel it manipulated you? or anyone stating an opinion could be construed as manipulation. that is beyond a slippery slope, that is an authoritarian nightmare.

Few laws have bright lines. Can I be jailed for murder if I crash a car into someone? It depends greatly upon the specific circumstances.
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