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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by tarsinge »

hintymad wrote: post #643
kioku wrote: post #43

> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.

Yeah, human brain is amazing. After I reading many AI replies, this kind style just stands out, even though I can't precisely describe it.

To me it is simply good writing, the kind that is found in literature, but feels a bit out of place in discussions on the internet. What makes it stand out is that real English speaker on the internet are way more casual in their writing. I’ve also noticed that non native English speaker are sometimes mistaken for LLMs due to these less casual sentences structure.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by charmchi »

kioku wrote: post #43

> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.

Same with:

> The kicker? Fully 61 percent of European CIOs and tech leaders say...

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by eiiot »

paradox460 wrote: post #550
kioku wrote: post #43

> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.

It's not just big, it's large

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pr8xnNi7OM

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by DANmode »

hintymad wrote: post #643
kioku wrote: post #43

> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.

Yeah, human brain is amazing. After I reading many AI replies, this kind style just stands out, even though I can't precisely describe it.

“This isn’t x,

it’s y.”

Described it pretty well|succinctly the last time I saw it being referenced.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by bell-cot »

imtringued wrote: post #675
bell-cot wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How did Visa & Mastercard manage... I'd bet a combination of: - Got through before the red tape ramparts were nearly as thick as today - Ungentle arm-twisting by the US Gov't... at Visa & Mastercard's behest - Amply greased palms... which can't be traced to Visa or Mastercard. At least not in any jurisdiction which would do anything about it.

You forgot the part where there is a bootstrap problem for any fintech. You need the appropriate license to make money, but you can only get that license if you already have enough money. On top of that is a requirement that basically demands that you have employees in charge that have worked and gained job experience at the established businesses. This is good for stability, but it also means that innovation gets ni…

???

Neither my comment, nor the prior one, had anything to do with fintech.

Concerning "innovation" in financial systems, done by relative outsiders, with little experience or incentive to keep the system stable: Given the track record, I'd argue that such innovations should either be outright banned, or limited to some tiny percentage of the relevant financial market. The world does not need more FTX's.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by myroon5 »

UltraSane wrote: post #513
miohtama wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

AWS in China doesn't have KMS

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2019/06/aws-kms-n...

https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/about-aws/regional-product-servi...

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by mlinhares »

okanat wrote: post #644
mlinhares wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t have to, this ja the reason. There were multiple successful EU alternatives that were killed by the loads of money the US companies could muster to kill or hobble them. And Europe decided it was fine. There isn’t even an European card brand that operates across the whole continent, the just accepted to use visa and Mastercard for everything. I hope they change it.

And several European countries had their own card systems. The banks have just decided that letting US companies do the work is more lucrative. It was definitely cheaper and it was necessary if they want to be part of US hegemony network and trade with Asian countries since many of them had bad relationships due to colonialism.

The local card systems still exist in most places, but they only work if you have a card from that country, for people travelling across Europe its useless as once you cross the border people won't accept that card anymore and you're back to taking only visa/mastercard.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by direwolf20 »

palata wrote: post #626
direwolf20 wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus Torvalds is very pro–corporate, pro–tivoization, he thinks GPL3 was a terrible mistake.

Is he pro-tivoization, or is he not against it? I heard him talk about GPLv3 someday, and what he said was that it was a mistake to call it "GPLv3", as if it was the evolution of GPLv2, because for him it should have been a totally different licence. Which I find fair: there are different kinds of copyleft (like MPL vs GPL), it makes sense to say that GPLv2 is a different concept than GPLv3. Whereas I don't know if a…

GPLv2 was clearly intended to let you change the software on your devices. In some countries, GPLv2 already prohibits tivoization.

However, big tech found an exploit: In some countries, GPLv2 allows tivoization. This was not intended by the authors of the GPLv2. There was another exploit involving patent licenses, and a reverse exploit about license termination that allowed some developers to extort some users. They fixed these and made it the GPLv3. It's a bugfix release, not anything new. You only don't like it if you relied on the bugs.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by poutrathor »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

I want to nitpick the point here : "And Office suite wise, it took Google about 15 years of pouring money into Google Docs to be almost as good as the MS offering"

From my point of view, it's more : "Google screwed up their online, instantaneous multi-user tool so bad that Microsoft had the time to pour billions into Office-Online-365-whatever-name and now you have Word & Excel in the browser and Google lost their edge".

Without any knowledge of the matter, just looking from outside, Google had the money and the talent to get there but not the focus and the drive.

Silly example : Coloring a text in "Google Docs": the icon is black and white. You can't make that up. Impossible to find it every time I need it and I am using it for 2 months now. Every little detail is like that, showing lack of care for the users.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by KaiserPro »

jgbuddy wrote: post #636
KaiserPro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also to your point: "can't we just encrypt it?" Its someone else's computer. The TPM is controlled by someone else. You can't really process on a machine that has a compromised urandom/TPM Also the bigger issue is having all your access revoked over night. Thats the bigger fear.

What? Storing encrypted data doesn’t mean you have to encrypt it on hardware you don’t own

You're assuming that the data can't be unencrypted, which isn't a given.

Also you're not understanding the other risk of the sun king owning, or having leverage over the hosting platform: access.

If your access can be removed at an arbitrary point, you your own data and processing, then you're sunk. Sure this is illegal, but thats not the point. Its clear that legal rules are not to be trusted anymore.

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