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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by carlosjobim »

parthdesai wrote: post #491
sneak wrote: post #477

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Propaganda can be entirely factual. In fact, the best propaganda is.

I think you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not > Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic manipulation of information—including facts, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion, attitudes, and behaviors toward a specific cause, ideology, or agenda.

Propaganda is information which supports a specific cause, whether true or false.

If you think "propaganda" is defined as something being lies, then you have misunderstood the word.

Product advertising is the most widespread form of propaganda. And in some non-english countries it is called "propaganda" and not "marketing".

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by mvdtnz »

quailfarmer wrote: post #569
mvdtnz wrote: post #532

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But not a single person has actually done so. Until it can be shown that armed citizens are making a genuine difference against government agents it's still just bluster.

Disagree. The most valuable feature of a fraction of people having guns is that the risk of someone having a gun discourages the most extreme harassment, even if no gun is ever fired.

Two protesters were murdered by government agents (one of them armed!). How much more extreme do you want to get?

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Post by ValveFan6969 »

js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

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Post by ModernMech »

goatlover wrote: post #573
direwolf20 wrote: post #412

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A democratic administration would be extremely unlikely to do that, I think. Democrats are usually middle–of–the–road, don't–upset–anyone types. Radical centrists, if you will. That's why the elections of people like Mamdani are so shocking.

There's going to be a lot of pressure on Democrats from their base to hold people accountable for what happens during Trump's 2nd term. And there is going to be some new blood that runs on that. You have state governors like Newsom, Pritizker and Waltz documenting abuses with future accountability in mind. What baffles me is how conservatives supporting the current government overreach aren't worried about the coming…

> Do they think they'll just win all the future elections?

There's a degree of that. But really it's learned behavior; MAGA literally sacked the Capitol in a violent insurrection and Democrats managed to botch the response to that. The only reason we're talking about future malfeasance is because Democrats didn't punish past malfeasance, thereby shifting the Overton window. And of course this goes back further than Jan 6 -- Trump might actually get a pardon from the next Democratic president if history repeats.

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Post by refulgentis »

ValveFan6969 wrote: post #703
js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

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Interesting reaction to that story, I'm fascinated: why do you think it's fake?

(my guess: Soviet-style repression differences b/t USSR and satellites; reads as fake to you because non-USSR was more lax, i.e. you'll be fine speaking honestly in private, just not in public)

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Post by culi »

stronglikedan wrote: post #568
culi wrote: post #350

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I think history has shown that this is a fruitful intuition to have

As always, it depends. More often than not, the opposite is true, hence the existence of Occam's razor.

There is no way to know if you are applying Occam's razor correctly because we always have invisible cultural assumptions that are hard to escape.

Relevant story: my mother grew up in the Soviet Block where they taught her about American Segregation in elementary school. She said she and all her friends immediately dismissed it as made-up propaganda

In that case she was wrong. But I think the intuition is the correct "rule of thumb" to take. By your application of Occam's razor, you would end up believing most propaganda the Soviet education system pushed as long as it offered a simpler explanation. I don't think that's a good intuition to have either.

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Post by ericmay »

JeremyNT wrote: post #640
ericmay wrote: post #175

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> For many users, this is their primary news source. That's their problem. You can't make blanket claims saying Americans now don't have easy access to information when there are other sources, ranging from the NYT to the Intercept, to anything you want to read being written and translated right on your computer from the EU or Japan or anywhere else you want to read. > An American oligarch and party loyalist now has…

Goalpost moving, this one. The post you were replying to stated: > hiding information from the US public They didn't say "Americans now don't have easy access to information" (your words). They said this sort of manipulation would be to hide information from the American public. Many people in the American public only see news on TikTok. If information is suppressed within TikTok, it is hidden to them. If TikTok stop…

Nope, didn't move the goalpost, let's set that aside.

> The post you were replying to stated:

Now you're cherry-picking what the OP wrote.

> But that isn't an excuse to abuse its dominance for propaganda purposes.

I didn't suggest that any of that was an "excuse" for anything - instead I called out that regardless of how TikTok operates you still have access to whatever information you want. If you choose to silo yourself, whether that's TikTok or FoxNews, that doesn't change the fact that you still have access to information.

Reminder of the OP:

> The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

If what you are suggesting is true, than OP's claim is untrue because all governments and all social media platforms regardless of where they exist or who owns them curate content to some degree and are thus "hiding information from the public".

You can't have it both ways here.

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Post by mvdtnz »

biophysboy wrote: post #697
mvdtnz wrote: post #547

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Data migrations, new staff permissions and policies, merging AWS or other cloud accounts and their complex IAM policies, enrolling devices into new corporate networks, Okta setup, corporate firewalls. There are hundreds of reasons that moving to a new corporate ownership can cause technical problems.

which of these do you think is most likely? I thought they were already using usa-based cloud infrastructure

All of these will be happening as well as hundreds of other moving pieces (domain name transfers, DNS changes, adjusting compute resources to maximise existing contracts with providers, migrating metrics systems impacting alerts and infra scaling etc etc etc). It's impossible to say from the outside which of these are causing issues.

> I thought they were already using usa-based cloud infrastructure

Unless they were already using the same provider on the same account with the same IAM policies as their new owner (they were not, obviously) this is irrelevant.

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Post by refulgentis »

scottyah wrote: post #674
babypuncher wrote: post #592

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These "single issue donors" are the most morally corrupt. I can understand someone who genuinely believes in the cause, even if that cause is disgusting. But this guy...this guy knows that the things happening are wrong, and he doesn't care as long as he gets what he wants from this administration. These people should be made social pariahs.

Do you condone all actions made by all people claiming to be part of your party? We're all told that we must pick the "lesser evil", and if you truly believe that one particular issue is more important than the rest, is it not your moral obligation to pursue that?

I'm confused about what are you asking (404 CAFFEINE_MISSING), and it helped me to reframe in terms of what the parent and grandparent write.

My reframe was, "If you're a Dem, don't you think Brockman should donate $25M to Trump, because I'm told I have to vote Dem if I don't like GOP, because Dems are the lesser evil, thus, Dems believe it is okay to support evil if it is in your self-interest?"

Assuming that, then turning back to theory, "Lesser evil" is a constraint on imperfect choices, not a moral voucher that turns any tactic into virtue. If you can justify writing a $25M check to someone you think is dangerous because it helps your side, then your issue was never "good vs. bad" - it was "my team wins," and you’re just shopping for a cleaner-sounding label.

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