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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smsm42 »

loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

> EFF claims that some states enroll illegal immigrants in Medicaid

Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between legal residents and illegal immigrants, but we can not assume it by default.

But I am not sure if the states use their own money for this - why would they send this information to HHS?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smsm42 »

cthalupa wrote: post #676
cma256 wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought GP was arguing they were trying to find non-citizens on the voter rolls to intimidate them (which may be a misreading).

No. There are not non-citizens on voter rolls. They want the rolls to get data on voters. When you ask yourself why the ultra-politicized DOJ (which isn't even the DHS...) from an administration that has explicitly called liberals the enemy is asking for voter rolls, it becomes pretty understandable why people might come to the conclusion that it is to suppress the people that have already explicitly been identified…

> There are not non-citizens on voter rolls.

That is incorrect, there are actually non-citizens on voter rolls, especially in the states with automatic voter registration. Example: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/scotus-al...

Of course, actually voting would be a crime: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/611 but it doesn't stop everybody: https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state-more-than-100-non...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by interestpiqued »

anigbrowl wrote: post #406
libpcap wrote: post #308

Immigration laws, like any other laws, need to be enforced, right?

Have you actually read immigration laws? They are not as Manichean or prescriptive as many commenters make them out to be. Enforcement-first proponents often seem unaware of or indifferent to the difference between civil and riminal violations and the lack of mandatory remedies. I've also noticed a distinct tendency to hyperbolize and outsize lie about past policy choices in order to justify their position.

I don't think most people on either side of this issue can speak to the nuances of immigration law.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smsm42 »

nullocator wrote: post #377
fastball wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station? I am doubtful you are, and your documents if you have them don't seem legit enough, so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure!

> Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station?

Yes, I have multiple documents proving my citizenship. Never been asked though, ID always sufficed.

> so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure!

I have voted in more than one state (legally, I moved) never seen any voting place asking for any documents except for state ID and voter roll check. I don't think there is any voting place where local state ID is not "legit enough".

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by webdoodle »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #203
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

It reminds me of when Eric Schmidt, then CEO of google, tried that argument about people's worry of google collecting so much personal data. Some media outlet then published a bunch of personal information about Schmidt they had gathered using only google searches, including where he lives, his salary, his political donations, and where his kids went to school. Schmidt was not amused.

And this is what every hacker on the planet should be doing: exposing all of the secrets of the rich parasites. Leave them no quarter, no place too hide.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by cthalupa »

smsm42 wrote: post #702
cthalupa wrote: post #676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There are not non-citizens on voter rolls. They want the rolls to get data on voters. When you ask yourself why the ultra-politicized DOJ (which isn't even the DHS...) from an administration that has explicitly called liberals the enemy is asking for voter rolls, it becomes pretty understandable why people might come to the conclusion that it is to suppress the people that have already explicitly been identified…

> There are not non-citizens on voter rolls. That is incorrect, there are actually non-citizens on voter rolls, especially in the states with automatic voter registration. Example: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/scotus-al... Of course, actually voting would be a crime: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/611 but it doesn't stop everybody: https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state-more-than…

Thank you. I stand corrected.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by totetsu »

nullocator wrote: post #377
fastball wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station? I am doubtful you are, and your documents if you have them don't seem legit enough, so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure!

Isn’t the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility act going to stop married women who have changes their last name from what was on their birth certificate from voting?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jayd16 »

smsm42 wrote: post #705
nullocator wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station? I am doubtful you are, and your documents if you have them don't seem legit enough, so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure!

> Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station? Yes, I have multiple documents proving my citizenship. Never been asked though, ID always sufficed. > so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure! I have voted in more than one state (legally, I moved) never seen any voting place asking for any documents except for state ID and voter roll check. I don'…

Look up Jim Crow. It's not hypothetical.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by fendy3002 »

hwguy45 wrote: post #674
mikeyouse wrote: post #636

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE isn’t auditing Medicaid FFS. And no, there’s absolutely no evidence they’re getting access to Medicaid. They’re single mindedly looking for undocumented immigrants to deport.

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if there are massive frauds, DOGE should've revealed that. The fact that people keep spewing no investigation while there should be several times shows how ignorant people is.
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