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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by erxam »

bluGill wrote: post #169
tmnvix wrote: post #129

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I'm beginning to feel this way about the US. Much more comfortable with Chinese foreign policy at this point. At this point, going on the past 50 years or so, it would take something quite extraordinary on China's part to convince me they are going to abuse their power as much as the US has so far. Hopefully I'm not simply being naive.

You need to pay better attention. I hate what Trump is doing to US foriegn policy - but it is still better than China, and there is hope that things will change in the future as elections continue. China doesn't even have that hope. China is clearly supporting Russia in Ukraine. China is clearly making plans to invade Tiawas (that alone makes them just as bad as the US, even if it hasn't happened yet).

Unless you start a denazification project and start shooting MAGA cultists en-masse, the US is not recovering. This is a rot that goes beyond one man and one party.

Your empire is decaying and it's going to keep lashing out up until it's completely gone.

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Post by catigula »

WorldMaker wrote: post #699
catigula wrote: post #695

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>and worse maintenance schedules/cost of ownership Sorry, but this is simply incorrect. The Toyota Prius has the most reliable powertrain on the American market in most studies. This is the decades old Toyota hybrid planetary gearset engine and eCVT. It has less moving wear parts than an ICE engine, a generous warranty, absorbs brake wear, etc. It's pretty umambigious at this point, so I'm not sure where you're sourc…

More reliable than the average ICE, statistically, I will grant you. Though I think that has more to do with Toyota dominating US auto manufacturing reliability statistics in general, more than particulars of hybrids over ICE. The comparison, however, was to a full ("uncompromised") BEV. A full BEV has much fewer moving parts than ICE or Hybrid. (Especially because good electric motors don't even constitute "moving p…

It doesn’t matter that it “has less moving parts”. It is the most reliable powertrain on the market full stop, including full electric powertrains.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

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Post by speed_spread »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #684
speed_spread wrote: post #175

They can try selling me an electric sports car the day they get the weight back under ~1500kg. Electric cars are fast in straight line, but that extra inertia is a killer in curves. I want a long range go-kart.

Their ICE sports cars barely make that in a lot of cases. I think you will need a long wait and a different manufacturer to get a very light weight BEV sports car.

Early 986 Boxsters weighted ~1300kg. Newer 718 models are a tad heavier, reaching 1400kg. The ICE Macan was 1900kg and newer electric ones are 2300kg and that's for their medium sized SUV! This craziness has to stop.

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Post by erxam »

bullfightonmars wrote: post #61
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Watching my very, very MAGA 'friends' purchasing byd's is hilarious. I've also, of late, noticed fewer and fewer Teslas around.

You have MAGA friends outside the United States?

There are way too many, unfortunately. For example, Venezuelans are 99% MAGA.

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Post by fooker »

ianburrell wrote: post #655
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I think we are going to be driving hybrids in large numbers for several decades until there's a new battery technology that triples energy density over the state of the art now. It can be invented sooner of course, technology prediction never really works.

Solid state lithium batteries, which are starting to roll out now, are big enough jump. They have 50-80% more capacity which gives enough range for a day of driving. They charge faster so can charge on regular stops. They aren't flammable. Cars don't need triple energy density, 600mi range and 15min charge is plenty. There is cost factor, but batteries have gotten cheap that isn't an issue. People talk about lithium…

> 600mi range and 15min charge is plenty.

Agreed.

So, it would be a matter of how fast the solid state batteries you speak of make their ways into actual cars. Right now, there aren't any.

And battery tech has always over promised and under delivered.

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Post by idiotsecant »

jacquesm wrote: post #411
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Haha that little 'during that time' is doing some heavy lifting there. You don't think there might have been some slight lingering resentment and fear that the slouching monster that Japan was during WWII would come back? I think Japan's neighbors might have felt 'pretty bad' too, but it didn't matter. In the end the money wins.

You mean just like the rest of Europe does against Germany or Italy? Hint: we don't.

Are you implying that there wasn't massive resentment toward Germany and italy in postwar Europe?! Wild claim if so.

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Post by cung »

melenaboija wrote: post #166
bnchrch wrote: post #2

While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

The US controls the oil monopoly, where as China controls battery minerals.

The US can’t compete in electric vehicles solely due to lack of control over the complete supply chain.

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Post by tehjoker »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #673
tehjoker wrote: post #90

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China is much less likely to attack civilians. Don't project america and israel's way of war onto others. I would imagine part of their strategy is to win hearts ad minds. America just kills and kills and kills and wonders why we arent loved.

They are currently killing some of their own population in internal genocides. I don’t think they will treat others better.

No they aren't. Please provide evidence that doesn't link back to discredited hearsay by a US think tank.

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Post by bruce511 »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #456
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Sounds like a market opportunity for kerb-side, low speed, charging points. Not to mention parking garages for daytime parking at work. Not to mention mall parking lots. The garage is an obvious starting point, because your car spends a lot of time there, but there are lots of opportunities elsewhere. Once upon a time 44 million households didn't have electricity. Things change.

I have no garage and work from home. So no workplace to charge. So now you’ve added another thing I have to worry about - finding charging somewhere along my 10 minute errand route? EVs are a bad solution to a problem I don’t have. Hybrids are much better. For the small amount of driving I do, driving my commuter ICE car with a tiny, 35-mpg 4 cylinder engine is fine… why are the EV cultists so convinced their way is…

>> I have no garage and work from home. So no workplace to charge. So now you’ve added another thing I have to worry about - finding charging somewhere along my 10 minute errand route?

Your car lives somewhere when you're not doing errands. Expect a charging point there as demand for that grows.

Not to mention charging points at the mall, shops, restaurants and so on.

Clearly it will be a long time before EV replaces ICE completely. There was lots of horse infrastructure which changed when cars appeared.

But the pendulum is swinging and each motion there opens up new opportunities.

Also each motion has an impact on existing infrastructure. Expect gas stations to be less common, ditto for mechanics and so on.

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Post by bruce511 »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #629
bruce511 wrote: post #205

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>> I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid Weight, space and reliability. Dragging that generator (and fuel) around costs weight and space, reducing range. Exhaust, fuel tank, radiator- all the support systems the ICE motor needs. Which leaves less space for batteries, which reduces range. Plus, the maintenance burden is still there. All those ICE parts still need all the maintainence etc that full I…

Don’t full battery packs weigh more than an ICE system? Plus, weight is a minimal factor in efficiency anyway. Today, a PHEV is the best of all world’s, but full parity for BEVs (in the US) is almost here. Reliable trip charging (NACS, SuperCharger network) and available destination charging will be enough pretty soon.

The weight I'm referring to is the weight of both systems, which is typically heavier than 1 system.

In terms of ev weight overall, it's typically close to ice weight. (Obviously a lot of differences between vehicle class and range).

An ev has motor, batteries, plus controllers. Ice has engine, gearbox, fuel tank, radiator [1], exhaust.

[1] Evs also have a radiator, but its a much smaller system running at lower Temps, with less water.

I'm converting an old vehicle now to EV and the overall weight difference is not significant.

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