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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

TheDong wrote: post #194
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #131

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> Cars are not critical infrastructure Their production infrastructure is. > the idea that China would turn off their EVs or starting to use them as weapons from the other side of the world is borderline absurd Is it? If we got into a shooting match with Beijing, would we not try to hijack Tesla’s OTA features to disrupt their economy?

If that's a normal thing to do, why aren't we hijacking russian teslas right now? Why haven't we made Microsoft push an OTA update to windows to bluescreen all military PCs in Russia? Why haven't we made Google and Apple push Android/iOS updates that cause all phones in Russia to crash? I'm confident that even if at war with China, the US would not hijack random civilian cars, yes. That's absolutely absurd.

> the US would not hijack random civilian cars

Of course we fucking would. Maybe not in a shooting match, which I guess means a proxy war. But if we went to war? If Americans were dying? It would be ridiculous not to.

Do you think China would permit vehicles it could disable to allow Americans to travel to and from jobs that might involve attacking it? Do you think they have some moral obligation to allow that?

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Post by skullone »

jeffbee wrote: post #345
skullone wrote: post #206

This is a shame. Coworker got a Lightning and he loves it. He doesn't tow with it but he does field work for fiber optic stuff, usually back home every day. Runs his computers, tools, ventilation for going down manholes, he even powered a sump pump from it, without needing to haul a generator. The hybrid truck can now do the same, but it's a really nice truck

The plain old ICE F-150 has had power outlets as an option package for more than ten years, i.e. 7 years before the Lightning even existed.

The lightning and power boost can do up to 50amps though, the old trucks had to be running and you had to have a second or hight output alternator added. Having the battery/hybrid with their nice inverters was nice

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Post by hamburglar »

rootusrootus wrote: post #224
nozzlegear wrote: post #142

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I love electric vehicles, but I want something that lands somewhere between the DIY-esque Slate and the literally-costs-more-than-I-paid-for-my-house F-150 Lightning. I have a 23 Chevy Bolt EUV which is the sweet spot for me right now, I just wish it had AWD for the winters where I live.

> literally-costs-more-than-I-paid-for-my-house F-150 Lightning I'm on board for a house that cost less than 50K.

I preordered a lightning. When they finally released it, it could not be obtained for less than $85k, and many were marked up or added-on for upwards of $100k.

Ford having set my expectations at a $40k starting price, I canceled my order.

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Post by kraussvonespy »

qingcharles wrote: post #395
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #247

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90% of F-150s are daily driver grocery-getters. That was the target for the Lightning, not truck stuff.

I live in an area that has probably >100% pick-up ownership per adult male. I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet. Seems like a bad vehicle for grocery runs.

There's probably also some "I don't want to get my pretty truck wet or dirty" involved there too.

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Post by SoftTalker »

defrost wrote: post #454
SoftTalker wrote: post #437

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Those were some examples, not an exhaustive list. What about hauling a load of mulch or topsoil, you're not doing that in your nice minivan. Or a bed-load of tree limbs and cut brush? I do that a few times a year. Hauling furniture, firewood, lawn mowers, trash. An open truck bed is the most flexible configuration in my experience. Of course it's not perfect for everything. A utility trailer could do a lot of that to…

A family sedan is a suitable tow vehicle for the large flat bed twin axle + four seven tonne truck spring configured trailer we built 35+ years ago for hauling across broken land in the Pilbara. It's a good idea to use anti-sway bars on, say, a Hayman-Reese hitch when things get technical and loads want to skid sideways. Rig your trailer right and you can have a removable gull wing hutch for sleeping in / tool securi…

> A family sedan is a suitable tow vehicle for the large flat bed twin axle

You may get away with it but it is not suitable. It doesn't have the brakes or the weight to safely pull a large trailer, and you'll likely burn up the transmission as well. Now, if you're talking about a body-on-frame GM sedan from the 1970s, with a 350 or larger V8 engine, maybe. A 4-cylinder typical family sedan of 2025? Not a chance.

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Post by ascorbic »

mattmaroon wrote: post #694
ghaff wrote: post #608

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A number of my whitewater paddling friends really like their minivans. There are still at least a couple of models available but they have largely gone out of fashion. Personally I have a mid-size SUV but if you regularly need to transport around a lot of people, minivans seem more practical in general than a lot of the big SUVs.

At that point that’s just a truck with a slightly different shape. I don’t see any anti-truck argument that doesn’t apply to mid sized and larger SUVs

The roof?

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Post by swolios »

Mawr wrote: post #561
swolios wrote: post #235

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Iowa has over 68,000 miles of gravel roads, something like 60% of the state's roads. "Offroad" is 60% of the state 50+% of the year This could be said anywhere with snow, by time the DOT repairs the frost heave after winter its winter again.

Packed gravel is not "offroad", it's just a normal, flat road. Snow makes no difference either, obviously. You'd need to have quite a lot of snowfall to make travel in a regular car hard to impossible.

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Post by frumper »

brianwawok wrote: post #627
malfist wrote: post #492

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I justified the lightning purchase to my partner by pointing out having an equivalent whole house battery backup in Tesla power walls would be more expensive than the truck

Trick is the power wall will be there in 10 years. The truck may be traded in at 4. Car trade in speed is what makes that math not work.

Trading in your new car at 4 years old sounds like bad math no matter what car you buy.

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Post by dpark »

mattmaroon wrote: post #694
ghaff wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A number of my whitewater paddling friends really like their minivans. There are still at least a couple of models available but they have largely gone out of fashion. Personally I have a mid-size SUV but if you regularly need to transport around a lot of people, minivans seem more practical in general than a lot of the big SUVs.

At that point that’s just a truck with a slightly different shape. I don’t see any anti-truck argument that doesn’t apply to mid sized and larger SUVs

The anti truck sentiment is directed largely at the ever-growing full size trucks. SUVs get less hate because the market for the absurdly huge SUVs is much smaller than the market for reasonably sized (by American standards) SUVs.

I don’t think smaller trucks get the same level of hate.

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Post by matty22 »

*Ford:* Makes giant, electric pickup truck that you can't purchase for less than $85,000 and your normal, weekend warrior has no need for to make their Home Depot runs.

*Also Ford:* WhERe aRe all tHe cUstOmerS?!

I don't understand what's so hard to understand about selling EVs like hotcakes. Make a reasonably sized vehicle, with a reasonable range, at a reasonable price point. They already have the Maverick. An excellent truck for day-to-day driving and weekend tasks. Make a Maverick, but put an electric motor in it instead of the gas-hybrid engine. Sell it for $10k more than the gas model (~$40k). That truck would sell gangbusters.

Instead they think they are Rivian and can sell trucks at Rivian prices, but they aren't Rivian. They aren't a sexy new EV startup who makes something truly new and bespoke. And who can, as a result, charge bespoke prices. They are Ford. They are a known entity. Dare I say, they are boring. Their strength is in volume, not bespokeness. They need to sell a boring truck with an electric motor at volume.

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