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Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by js8 »

bluescrn wrote: post #622
levocardia wrote: post #147

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Valve is one of the few companies regularly seen on HN where the headline is something like "[company] is secretly doing something really great" as opposed to "[company] is secretly doing something evil"

It's an interesting case study. They're essentially another 'App Store middleman' raking in a huge 30% cut for selling games digitally. But they do enough really good stuff to keep both gamers and developers generally very happy.

People are mostly perfectly happy with authoritarianism as long as their lives are improving.

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Post by account42 »

the_af wrote: post #508
estimator7292 wrote: post #303

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Not an excuse. It is not okay to abuse someone just because they can ask you to stop.

They are ads for games in a store that sells games, right? I'm very anti-ad, but if there's one situation where I don't have a beef with it, it's the Steam app.

No, that's not an excuse because Steam is also a launcher to play your games. If the store was completely separate then sure it would be OK to promote games being sold in the store there.

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Post by simonh »

bux93 wrote: post #660
nikanj wrote: post #570

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This model, unfortunately, often leads to a "well, we might as well spend the extra profits on executive benefits"-issue. Whenever you have money without oversight, you always face a moral hazard. If the company makes a profit and there aren't shareholders there to keep the stewards in check, excesses can and do develop.

It's not as if public companies don't overspend on executive compensation. I think one CEO recently asked for a trillion dollar compensation package?

I'll make you a deal. You agree to give me a trillion dollars, but only if I make you 8 trillion dollars.

I don't think he'll deliver and I think it's based on fantasy economics, he's been really losing it recently, but as a deal it's not entirely irrational if he could make it happen.

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Telaneo wrote: post #381
stavros wrote: post #326

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I wonder when games will start supporting Linux natively, especially after the Steam Machine is released.

Given that older Linux builds of games consistently run worse than the Windows versions of those same games through Wine/Proton, I hope never. Targeting Wine/Proton is the best of both worlds for everyone. Developers need to Just™ not use a few footguns that they mostly don't have reasons to touch anyway, and otherwise they don't need to change anything, while consumers get a game on that works just as well on Linux…

This is extremely shortsighted.

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Post by dirkderkdurk »

nottorp wrote: post #666
dirkderkdurk wrote: post #665

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Original MK, Sub-Zero spine tear, sigh, the first one I ever did. Got me into gamedev. I appreciated it!

Had to look it up to post :) It was back in the days when we gathered at the kid whose keyboard could actually support so many simultaneous keypresses and did tournaments.

Trying to play with 2 players on the same keyboard was a nightmare. On mine WASD seemed to cope better than the arrows, so there was always a rush to pick sides of the keyboard. Ah, good times.

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Post by account42 »

socalgal2 wrote: post #246
bee_rider wrote: post #232

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Valve seems more like Apple than Google: a well-liked company that has an obvious and not inherently exploitive business model. Google as an ad company was always destined to go bad in a way that most non-ad companies are not. No company is your friend, and they are all fundamentally structures around making a profit. But providing goods and services in exchange for money is not inherently exploitive or evil.

> like Apple: a well-liked company that has an obvious and not inherently exploitive business model. Apple does have an exploitive business model. Take 30% from every business that's not them. Apple is trying to own the entire world. They're quickly becoming the bank by offering Credit Cards and Savings. I'm sure once they get big enough they'll turn the screws and add more charges because no company will want to los…

> Apple does have an exploitive business model. Take 30% from every business that's not them.

Exactly, and the same goes for Steam.

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Post by skrebbel »

blibble wrote: post #18

kinda funny that Microsoft has tried and failed multiple times to make Windows on ARM work and then valve is probably going to succeed, to Microsoft's detriment

I don't understand what you mean by this. My wife's HP laptop has an ARM processor with Windows and it.. just works? Like everything works. The computer is super fast, quiet, great battery usage, ultrathin and even scary affordable for what you get. All software works. I've not found x64 programs to run noticeably worse, at least not the ones we use, and plenty programs have an ARM build.

As a Windows user you don't even need to know that it's an ARM computer. Just use it like you'd use any other Windows computer.

Don't just say stuff, man. This is not Twitter. Try to at least figure out whether you're vaguely directionally correct before writing snarky comments.

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Post by shortformblog »

I downloaded an unoptimized game and tested it (Stray, a few years old at this point) and got some graphical glitches, but between 10-20 FPS on a three-year-old phone. That it’s even possible is impressive, and I imagine it will only get better as more games get optimized.
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