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Post by ipaddr »

oceanplexian wrote: post #676
gyomu wrote: post #596

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> This is not the final target The final target of these "world models" on a 20 year horizon is entirely unmanned factories taking over the economy, and swarm of drones and robots fighting wars and policing citizens. This is why hundreds of billions are poured into these things, cute Ghibli style videos and vacuum robots wouldn't be worth this much money otherwise.

What’s so romantic about working in factories? Automation and robotics will accelerate the economy the same way information technology did, and humans will work on better problems than performing repeated tasks on an assembly line or flipping burgers. There are arguably more jobs today as a result of computers than there were before they were invented. So why is the assumption that AI will magically delete all jobs w…

The hope is that we have no employment and we moved into a different form of society where AI takes care of us and allows us to focus on more spiritual meaningful things.

For now AI is deleting many of the jobs the computer created.

The reality is we will more likely end up in a society where wealth/power at the very top will grow and the masses will be controlled by AI.

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Post by fmbb »

xmprt wrote: post #669
idle_zealot wrote: post #612

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> There's far more economic opportunity with Is there? Creating AGI sounds like a great way to utterly upend every assumption that our economy and governments are built on. It would be incredibly destabilizing. That's not typically good for business. There's no telling who will profit once that genie is out of the bottle, or if profit will even continue to be a meaningful concept.

I hear this comment a lot and I don't get it. Let's say AGI exists but it costs $100/hr to operate and it has the intelligence of a good PhD student. Does that suddenly mean that the economy breaks down or will the goalposts shift to AGI being "economical" and that PhD level isn't good enough? I still haven't gotten a heard a clear definition of AGI which makes me think that it will break the world.

This is what Open AI themselves believe the risk is:

> By "defeat," I don't mean "subtly manipulate us" or "make us less informed" or something like that - I mean a literal "defeat" in the sense that we could all be killed, enslaved or forcibly contained.

Linked from https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-and-beyond/

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Post by Jensson »

bnop wrote: post #451
echelon wrote: post #229

I'm a software engineer and hobbyist actor/director. My friends are in the film industry and are in IATSE and SAG-AFTRA. I've made photons-on-glass films for decades, and I frequently film stuff with my friends for festivals. I love this AI video technology. Here are some of the films my friends and I have been making with AI. These are not "prompted", but instead use a lot of hand animation, rotoscoping, and human v…

Taking the time and effort out of something is exactly what strips it of its beauty Beauty is not just an “idea” that someone has and needs to get out onto a medium It is a process and journey that a person undergoes to get said idea onto said medium That journey often plays out very differently than the person expects. Things change, the art is different from the idea, and the person learns and grows Our modern soci…

So landscapes are not beautiful?

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Post by minimaxir »

mxwsn wrote: post #682
minimaxir wrote: post #587

This Sora 2 generation of Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay managed to reproduce it extremely closely , which is baffling: https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1973124528680345871 > How the FUCK does Sora 2 have such a perfect memory of this Cyberpunk side mission that it knows the map location, biome/terrain, vehicle design, voices, and even the name of the gang you're fighting for, all without being prompted for any of those s…

That's really interesting. What if they RAG search related videos from the prompt, and condition on that to generate? That might explain fidelity like this

An interesting counterexample is "a screen recording of the boot screen and menus for a user playing Mario Kart 64 on the N64, they play a grand prix and start to race" where the UI flow matches the real Mario Kart 64, but the UI itself is wrong: https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973151142097154426

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Post by Klonoar »

minimaxir wrote: post #654
Klonoar wrote: post #652

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> Everyone already assumed that Sora was trained on YouTube Doesn't this already answer your question...? "Let's Play" type videos and streams have been a thing for years now, even for more obscure games. It very well could've been trained on Cyberpunk videos of that mission.

It's hard for me to believe that the model coherently memorized both the video and audio of a relatively obscure Let's Play, and that a simple prompt was enough to surface it (the use of the term "Basilisk tank" would also likely not be in video metadata either). That is the reason the person who made that tweet, who has far more prompting experience than myself, was shocked.

It’s hard for you to believe, sure, and I recognize the context of who tweeted it.

I still maintain that’s the kernel it’s getting it from. It’s impressive, I’m just not really shocked by it as a concept.

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Post by Andrex »

mckn1ght wrote: post #696
Andrex wrote: post #630

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Interesting idea, online gaming becoming the de facto new societal community meeting space.

Until games also become uniquely generative in realtime

For multiplayer games, I'm not sure that would be a detriment to the experience in any way.

Procedural generation is a known quantity in gaming, with well-explored pros and cons.

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Post by famouswaffles »

cubefox wrote: post #690
famouswaffles wrote: post #617

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Things Fall Apart has sold over 20 million copies and has been translated into more than 50 languages. It is a staple of literature curriculums in schools and universities across the globe. That isn't a "wide" definition of widely known; it's the standard one. Then you have Chimamanda Adichie, who has sold millions of copies and won several awards, including the BBC National Short Story Award, widely described as "on…

These examples seem highly cherry-picked. If you look at bestseller lists, or writers who average people actually know, the results are in fact very different. Your accusation ("racist") is defamatory.

Calling a Nobel Prize winner, among others 'cherry-picked' in an argument about literary greats where you asked for 'commonly accepted measures' is one of the most intellectually dishonest things I've ever read, so congratulations again.

You were thoroughly proven wrong so now your new standard for literary greatness is "writers that average people know" ? (which is really just code for 'writers I know', because millions do know those writers, I wasn't sharing some secret). I guess that means we can throw out Faulkner, Joyce, and Woolf in favor of whoever's currently at the top of the airport bookstore list.

It's not "defamatory" to point out that your argument, which began with a dismissive generalization about an entire country, was based on profound ignorance (the kind that wouldn't have taken anything more than a basic google search to remedy). You were corrected with facts. Instead of going, 'I stand corrected, sorry', you're doubling down. It just makes you look worse, and stupid.

This is the most basic racist playbook happening in real time, and you're the star. If you genuinely think you aren't then you need to take a long, good look at yourself.

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Post by SchemaLoad »

winkelmann wrote: post #541
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

I think a dedicated "TikTok but AI" is infinitely better than AI videos polluting other platforms. Of course, in practice, the latter is already the case, rendering the theoretical benefits of the former kind of moot. Nonetheless, a platform for AI videos with an audience looking for them, rather than the horrible "boomer-slop" that is prevalent on other social media, is welcome in my eyes.

I don't think this is going to reduce the slop on other sites at all though.

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Post by dleeftink »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

There's a fitting quote from 2017's Columbus:

> "[...] in its place, he identifies a different kind of crisis. Not the crisis of attention, but the crisis of interest."

Our attention in fact, has never been as fully absorbed as is today's. In place of books and architecture (as in the film), our attention has shifted towards more rapid forms. Yet in terms of hours spent, our 'attention' towards them has massively increased.

Is the crisis we're feeling then one of purported inattention, or a general loss of interest and satisfaction from our surrounds? What has spurred this crisis? Gabriel and Casey's conversation ends:

> "What about everyday life? Are we losing interest in everyday life?"

The film offers an hopeful answer.

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Post by ipaddr »

astrange wrote: post #700
Nursie wrote: post #613

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I live in Perth, Western Australia, and here 5-year price growth has topped 100% in some suburbs. Landlordism is an enormous money-spinner.

Until you have to replace a roof, or a tenant destroys the house, or it just doesn't rent for a while and nobody notices a water pipe breaking. It's risky to own a lot of buildings, and worse the risks are correlated if they're all in the same place (there could be a flood or wildfire etc.) Commercial real estate is different because your tenants are (more) professional.

You get insurance to manage risk. You factor in roof repairs, vacancy rates when determining rent meanwhile your property value over the last 10 years in most places around the world have at least doubled and more.

Doesn't mean the next 10 years will see that growth but if you believe your country/area's population will grow it is probably a good investment for now in the western world.

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