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Post by scott_w »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #693
scott_w wrote: post #537

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So your answer is “no.”

My answer is “do your own research.” Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last few decades, you would know that British Pakistani rape gangs have been shielded from prosecution. This only changed recently. FYI, the first documented such case is from 1973. Over 50 years of systematic abuse can only be hidden by a complicit establishment.

You claimed that politicians are covering up child sex trafficking. Big claims require big evidence. If this were true, it would be the biggest scandal in British political history and everyone would know about it. Instead, you talk of the Rotherham scandal, which is not “politicians covering up/shielding from prosecution.”

The fact you’re telling me “do your own research,” tells me you’re lying through your teeth because you can’t just show me the front page of a mainstream newspaper. The only person to even try showed evidence to the contrary: multiple parliamentary inquiries and debates.

One last time: where is your evidence for the extraordinary claim that British politicians (Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem) have been covering up a sex child abuse scandal?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by SanjayMehta »

scott_w wrote: post #701
SanjayMehta wrote: post #693

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My answer is “do your own research.” Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last few decades, you would know that British Pakistani rape gangs have been shielded from prosecution. This only changed recently. FYI, the first documented such case is from 1973. Over 50 years of systematic abuse can only be hidden by a complicit establishment.

You claimed that politicians are covering up child sex trafficking. Big claims require big evidence. If this were true, it would be the biggest scandal in British political history and everyone would know about it. Instead, you talk of the Rotherham scandal, which is not “politicians covering up/shielding from prosecution.” The fact you’re telling me “do your own research,” tells me you’re lying through your teeth be…

Do your own research.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by dynamite-ready »

madeofpalk wrote: post #618
dynamite-ready wrote: post #614

I really don't remember voting on this web censorship issue, or ID cards, because both of those policies would have changed my vote, for sure.

Of course you don't remember - you don't vote on individual laws, you vote for politicians. Politicians always lie/"break promises", so whatever they say before an election only has a loose correlation with what they actually do. Pay attention to their track record and vote accordingly next time.

What are you suggesting though? That there were clues to herald these changes? Tbh, I did look at my (new) MP's record on social justice and welfare... They were surprisingly out of Party character on a few issues. But certainly better than the other candidates in aggregate.

That's about the best we can all do.

Like many others, I would like to see a Swiss style vote on anything that gathers enough public support.

Apparently, there are a few sources that suggest a 'silent' majority supports the OSA. I think far reaching laws like these (the assisted death law changes being another) should always be put before the public. That way at least, I can better understand my position, and consider whether I'm in the wrong.

(I feel the OSA should have forced the ISPs to add parental controls, and let each household manage their own patterns of consumption)

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by scott_w »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #702
scott_w wrote: post #701

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You claimed that politicians are covering up child sex trafficking. Big claims require big evidence. If this were true, it would be the biggest scandal in British political history and everyone would know about it. Instead, you talk of the Rotherham scandal, which is not “politicians covering up/shielding from prosecution.” The fact you’re telling me “do your own research,” tells me you’re lying through your teeth be…

Do your own research.

You have nothing.

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #617
BatteryMountain wrote: post #469

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Or, just ban children from the internet, same as gun ownership for 12yo's. Fine/imprison parents. This is a parenting problem, not a technical/business problem. Remove the supply of children and things will get better. A business cannot make laws or override laws with ToS and invent their own moral compasses - rather it is the sole responsibility of the parent on what their child gets exposed to (whether politics, po…

> imprison parents. I’m consistently shocked at how authoritarian and draconian HN comments can be. Throwing parents in prison if their 12 year old uses the internet? Jail them and send their kids to foster care? This is your plan for improving the lives of children?

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Post by squidbeak »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #670
squidbeak wrote: post #636

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You're mistaken, the proposed system isn't centralized. The IDs only exist in the wallet. The wallet uses Digital Verification Services (DVS) to poll APIs in front of the data the government already holds on you. These services check details you enter against that data and return cryptographic signatures for each. The wallet puts these together as IDs in a bespoke way, depending on what you need to prove. You can hav…

> You're mistaken, the proposed system isn't centralized. The IDs only exist in the wallet. That's a password manager or authenticator app. You don't need a government to do anything to have that. > Some of these signed proofs can be disclosed using Zero Knowledge Proofs (a cryptographic means of demonstrating something without demonstrating anything else) which would actually make it harder to 'correlate' you in the…

> That's a password manager or authenticator app. You don't need a government to do anything to have that.

Too reductive. Password managers and authenticators don't give you any means of passing your official data in an authoritative way.

> The only way to actually prevent this is to make the data the user presents to the second service indistinguishable for all users meeting the qualification

Where ZKPs are used (eg for proof of age over 18) you're describing exactly what the proposal seems to expect.

> You can't fix this by making it illegal because you don't have a mechanism to identify when they're doing it. You give them data that could identify you and then whether they use it for that happens behind closed doors.

The system provides for an auditing service to ensure this doesn't happen without user consent.

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Post by Aurornis »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #699
Aurornis wrote: post #620

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Their friends and family, obviously. I’m surprised by all of the comments assuming the internet can’t possibly have any value for kids in any way, shape, or form. Did HN commenters grow up and forget what it’s like to be a kid with friends? With an interest in games or technology or discovery?

Yes and most of us were exposed to porn before the age of 15, because one friend had internet faster than dailup. We even had a guy in our school that used to sell cd-roms filled with porn. This was before smart phones. Its one thing playing with tech & discovery, another thing having your first sexual experience be on a screen, as a child. It has lasting affects on your development. Oh, and a good chunk of abuse hap…

> We even had a guy in our school that used to sell cd-roms filled with porn. This was before smart phones.

Before that, porn was printed on paper magazines and, not surprisingly, sought out by and distributed among curious teenagers.

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Post by Urahandystar »

pyuser583 wrote: post #691
Aromasin wrote: post #525

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What one might contribute to malice can normally be attributed to ignorance. I think the political class in the UK is just completely bifurcated from the public (not as much as the Tories were, but more than I though Labour would be), such that every decision senior Labour leaders are making is lauded in progressively smaller circles they keep and they're oblivious to the reality of the situation. They just don't fee…

Labour thought it was a good idea to follow Corbyn. I don’t mean that an insult or a gotcha. But it was not a well thought out plan. The part about only listening to their own think tanks is weird. Academia leans left. American conservatives are suspicious of advice not from their think-tanks, but that’s because it’s hostile territory. The Democrats treat the university/expert/consultant class as free labor. I don’t…

Its interesting that you mention Corbyn when if you look into the data Starmer got much lower voters than he did but the UK system works in strange ways. I should mention I was one of those that refused to vote for Corbyn on the allegations of anti-semitism but those later turned out to be untrue.

One thing I have to ask about the democrats and a fear of Corbynism is shutting down primaries really and effective way to prevent one? Voters aren't stupid and the not being able to freely choose their candidate since Obama isn't going to help.

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Post by octo888 »

jpfromlondon wrote: post #493
octo888 wrote: post #476

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> The parents have been getting a free pass all this time I totally agree but the UK government – particular Labour – doesn't want people to take responsibility really, because that would take from their own 'power'. There's nothing the UK loves more than a stupid population hooked on benefits and devoid of education, critical thinking and financial freedom.

Not the UK, Labour.

No, both parties.

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Post by otterley »

nadermx wrote: post #695
otterley wrote: post #644

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> No one has tried it without trying to induce cipyright [sic] infrigment or following the DMCA properly. Why do you think that is?

Because this is the only relevant case I can find or remember. "The MPAA had presented evidence showing that the majority of content linked to on IsoHunt was infringing content, that the search engine was tuned to assist users in finding infringing works, and that Fung himself had made remarks suggesting the purpose of the site was to allow users to download infringing content." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsoHun…

My question was "why do you think torrent sites in the USA that adhere to safe-harbor requirements don't exist?"
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