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rapind wrote: post #372
blks wrote: post #182

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Often someone’s personal productivity with AI means someone else have to dig through their piles of rubbish to review PR they committed. In your particular case it sounds like you’re rapidly loosing your developer skills, and enjoy that now you have to put less effort and think less.

> In your particular case it sounds like you’re rapidly loosing your developer skills, and enjoy that now you have to put less effort and think less. Just the other day I was complaining that no one knows how to use a slide rule anymore... Also C++ is producing bytecode that's hot garbage. It's like no one understands assembly anymore... Even simple tools are often misused (like hammering a screw). Sometimes they are…

Hahaha well said, thank you. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading some of the comments around here. Serious old man shakes fist at cloud moments.

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Post by jama211 »

stavros wrote: post #222
blks wrote: post #182

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Often someone’s personal productivity with AI means someone else have to dig through their piles of rubbish to review PR they committed. In your particular case it sounds like you’re rapidly loosing your developer skills, and enjoy that now you have to put less effort and think less.

I'm losing my developer skills like I lost my writing skills when I got a keyboard. Yes, I can no longer write with a pen, but that doesn't mean I can't write.

Also I don’t know about you but despite the fact that I basically never write with a pen, the occasional time I have to I’m a little slow sure but it’s not like I physically can’t do it. It’s no big deal.

Imagine telling someone with a typewriter that they’d be unable to write if they don’t write by hand all the time lol. I write by hand maybe a few times a year - usually writing a birthday card or something - but I haven’t forgotten.

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Post by jama211 »

Kiro wrote: post #678
laserlight wrote: post #634

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“I'm eating fewer calories yet keep putting on weight.” There's a reason self-reported measures are questioned: they have been wildly off in different domains. Objectively verifying that a car is faster than walking is easy. When it's not easy to objectively prove something, then there are a lot that could go wrong, including the disagreements on the definition of what's being measured.

You're talking about cases where the measured productivity gains were marginal. Claiming my individual productivity gains are imaginary is simply absurd. I know I am more productive and it's a fact. Again, people who were already highly productive without AI won't understand how profound the increase is.

Well said, people keep acting like one study that has issues can be quoted at me and it somehow erases the fact that I’ve seen simply undeniable productivity gains, drives me mad. I get the feeling no measurement system would satiate them anyway as their intent is to undermine you because emotionally they’re not ready to accept the usefulness of LLMs.

If I showed them time gains, they’d just say “well you don’t know how much tech debt you’re creating”, they’d find a weasel way to ignore any methodology we used.

If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be conveniently ignoring all but that one study that is skeptical of productivity gains.

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Post by jama211 »

Applejinx wrote: post #665
Kiro wrote: post #225

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The "you only think you're more productive" argument is tiresome. Yes, I know for sure that I'm more productive. There's nothing uncertain about it. Does it lead to other problems? No doubt, but claiming my productivity gains are imaginary is not serious. I've seen a lot of people who previously touted that it doesn't work at all use that study as a way to move the goalpost and pretend they've been right all along.

OK, so it sounds like this is a 'I know for certain I can't code without AI and that I get nothing coherent done, and now I'm doing the greatest things all the time, so you're demonstrably wrong!' argument. I would ask, then, if you're qualified to evaluate that what 'you' are doing now is what you think it is? Writing off 'does it lead to other problems' with 'no doubt, but' feels like something to watch closely. I…

To be honest, if that person spent time coming up with world building, plot ideas etc all themselves, got the ai to draft stuff and edited it continuously until they got the exact result they wanted in the form of a novel, then yeah I would say they’re a novelist.

You can currently go to websites and use character generators and plot idea generators to get unstuck from writers block or provide inspiration and professional writers already do this _all the time_.

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Post by stavros »

jama211 wrote: post #702
stavros wrote: post #222

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I'm losing my developer skills like I lost my writing skills when I got a keyboard. Yes, I can no longer write with a pen, but that doesn't mean I can't write.

Also I don’t know about you but despite the fact that I basically never write with a pen, the occasional time I have to I’m a little slow sure but it’s not like I physically can’t do it. It’s no big deal. Imagine telling someone with a typewriter that they’d be unable to write if they don’t write by hand all the time lol. I write by hand maybe a few times a year - usually writing a birthday card or something - but I…

Yep, same. I might have forgotten some function names off the top of my head, but I still know how to program, and I do every day.

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paulryanrogers wrote: post #321
tunesmith wrote: post #165

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Data point: I run a site where users submit a record. There was a request months ago to allow users to edit the record after submitting. I put it off because while it's an established pattern it touches a lot of things and I found it annoying busy work and thus low priority. So then gpt5-codex came out and allowed me to use it in codex cli with my existing member account. I asked it to support edit for that feature a…

Is the hour really comparable to months spent not working on it?

“If you make a machine that can wash the dishes in an hour, is that more productive than not doing the dishes for months?” - Yes! That’s the definition of productivity!! The dishes are getting done now and they weren’t before! lol

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citizenkeen wrote: post #319
jsheard wrote: post #76

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> My personal productivity has skyrocketed in the last 12 months. Has your productivity objectively, measurably improved or does it just feel like it has improved? Recall the METR study which caught programmers self-reporting they were 20% faster with AI when they were actually 20% slower.

I have a very big hobby code project I’ve been working on for years. AI has not made me much more productive at work. I can only work on my hobby project when I’m tired after the kids go to bed. AI has made me 3x productive there because reviewing code is easier than architecting. I can sense if it’s bad, I have good tests, the requests are pretty manageable (make a new crud page for this DTO using app conventions).…

Bureaucracy is often a bottleneck

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Sharlin wrote: post #349
m_fayer wrote: post #274

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It seems like the programming world is increasingly dividing into “LLMs for coding are at best marginally useful and produce huge tech debt” vs “LLMs are a game changing productivity boost”. I truly don’t know how to account for the discrepancy, I can imagine many possible explanations. But what really gets my goat is how political this debate is becoming. To the point that the productivity-camp, of which I’m a part,…

I’d love to know whether and to what extent the people for which AI has been a huge boost are those who were already producing slop, and now they have AI that can produce that slop much faster.

Sheesh, how do you expect to be taken seriously when you sneer through gritted teeth like that?

I work with many developers of varying skill levels, all of which use AI. The only ones who have attempted to turn in slop are ones that basically turned out that they can’t code at all and didn’t keep their job long. Those who know what they’re doing, use it as a TOOL. They carefully build, modify, review and test everything and usually write about half of it themselves and it meets our strict standards.

Which you would know if you’d listened to what we’ve been telling you in good faith.

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Post by jama211 »

bozhark wrote: post #172
jsheard wrote: post #76

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> My personal productivity has skyrocketed in the last 12 months. Has your productivity objectively, measurably improved or does it just feel like it has improved? Recall the METR study which caught programmers self-reporting they were 20% faster with AI when they were actually 20% slower.

Yes, for me. Instead of getting overwhelmed doing to many things, I can offload a lot of menial and time-driven tasks Reviews are absolutely necessary but take less time than creation

Exactly. Is HN full of old codgers demanding that we can’t possibly use a calculator because that might mean we’d lose the precious skill of how to use a slide rule? The old man energy in here is insane

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Post by astrange »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #696
astrange wrote: post #690

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The moral of this story is that if you install a really good TV the animals will come out of it and eat you? Is the author a dog?

I suggest taking a literature course and learning how to interpret narratives. The Veldt is a classic short story written in 1950 by Ray Bradbury, a famous and celebrated author, who also wrote the famous dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451 .

Ironically, Bradbury likes to tell people that Fahrenheit 451 isn't about the thing it was obviously supposed to be about (censorship) because he now wants it to have been a metaphor for cancel culture.
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