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Post by UncleMeat »

sharken wrote: post #674
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that America is now ruled by a de facto king, who uses the power of the state to submit corporations and people to do his bidding.

Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-ami...

I believe that you can.

"Well, we needed to acquiesce to fascism for our stock price" is not acceptable. Over and over and over we are told about how corporations are job creators and serve a valuable function in our society. We are told that having power distributed across corporations that are in competition with one another is a protection against tyranny.

Fat lot of good that did.

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Post by ceejayoz »

spl757 wrote: post #690
suzdude wrote: post #614

Mel Brooks had the right of it. Fascism and Authoritarianism is defeated by satire and mockery. The ideology is too outrageous to survive any such scrutiny. Why else would the administration be so afraid of a few jokes?

This is exactly what Gavin Newsom is doing. It holds a mirror up and forces the right to address the ridiculousness of how trump communicates.

But they generally either do not get it or pretend not to get it. The tactic only works on people who have shame. Politicians used to resign for consensual sex.

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Post by ceejayoz »

sharken wrote: post #678
uncircle wrote: post #644

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Yeah, how did satire fare when Hitler was in power? Let's perhaps say that if satire doesn't directly prevent authoritarianism, it works as a very effective canary in the mine.

Tove Jansson, the creator of the Moomins got away with it in 1944. https://www.openculture.com/2020/11/before-creating-the-moom...

Sure. From Finland.

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Post by themaninthedark »

snitty wrote: post #676
themaninthedark wrote: post #603

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In the 2019 through at least 2022, Government agencies were "recommending" and "cautioning" social media companies on topics such as COVID and stories about laptops.

Two things here. 1. Trump was president in 2019 and 2020. 2. There is an important difference between a bureaucrat calling up someone at Facebook at arguing a position about policy and the chair of the FCC threatening to remove broadcast licenses. Notable, Supreme Court has even weighed in on the former and found it well within the rights of the government to do.

I included the earlier dates to capture the various government agencies comments on Hunter Biden's laptop, which I doubt that you can claim Trump was directing.

As for point 2, I am not aware of any of the government directed censorship going reaching the Supreme Court.

>On July 20, White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield appeared on MSNBC. Host Mika Brzezinski asked Bedingfield about Biden's efforts to counter vaccine misinformation; apparently dissatisfied with Bedingfield's response that Biden would continue to "call it out," Brzezinski raised the specter of amending Section 230—the federal statute that shields tech platforms from liability—in order to punish social media companies explicitly.

>In April 2021, White House advisers met with Twitter content moderators. The moderators believed the meeting had gone well, but noted in a private Slack discussion that they had fielded "one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn't been kicked off from the platform."

Is there a difference between the White House stating they are looking at Section 230 and asking why this one guy has not been banned?

https://reason.com/2023/01/19/how-the-cdc-became-the-speech-...

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Post by UncleMeat »

tzs wrote: post #610
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #144

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It's extremely relevant. The person grew up "conservative" and was radicalized to the left in college. The reason this is important is that it's a trend. If the trend isn't acknowledged on the left, then it will just continue.

Are you seriously suggesting that Utah State University, a school that is often on people's lists of the most conservative colleges in the US, radicalized him to the left? And they managed to do that in the one semester he attended?

Remarkable that Charlie Kirk, who attended much more college, didn't get radicalized to the left!

I swear, people talk about colleges like everybody is forced to watch soviet propaganda in a Clockwork Orange esque restraint.

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Post by UncleMeat »

rezonant wrote: post #629
tzs wrote: post #610

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Are you seriously suggesting that Utah State University, a school that is often on people's lists of the most conservative colleges in the US, radicalized him to the left? And they managed to do that in the one semester he attended?

Well obviously all colleges radicalize students to the left, which is why they want to get rid of college entirely. Public education as a whole radicalizes people to the left so they want to get rid of that too, so that it's too expensive for most people to send their kids to school.

"College educated voters tend to vote for democrats" and "colleges radicalize students to the left" are two different things. The claim is not that this person was more likely to vote for Harris than Trump. The claim is that university convinced him to murder people.

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Post by justin66 »

sharken wrote: post #674
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that America is now ruled by a de facto king, who uses the power of the state to submit corporations and people to do his bidding.

Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-ami...

> you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation

More accurate to say "I" as you'll find quite a large number of people blaming ABC for their actions in the coming days.

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Post by sigwinch »

mrtesthah wrote: post #294
davesque wrote: post #119

I believe this is the clip in question? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk As much as I can tell, they're mad because Kimmel pointed out a couple of instances where Trump seemed to care more about his new ballroom at the WH than about the recent murder of Kirk. I've been reluctant to toss around the f-word, but it doesn't feel like an exaggeration to call this fascism. Kimmel said nothing that should have wa…

In that case, going by the FCC's complaint against Kimmel, I wonder if my pointing out that Trump furthermore skipped Kirk's vigil to go golfing, is similarly "too offensive to be protected by the first amendment"? https://people.com/donald-trump-misses-charlie-kirk-vigil-11...

It was the FCC opportunistically gaining a precedent that they’ll use on other observational hosts. If it wasn’t this, it would have been leaks on Epstein.

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Post by sigwinch »

Pxtl wrote: post #548
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #406

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“Comments quoted in stories assert that the shooter was MAGA - maybe that’s somewhat controversial” It was counter to what was reported by federal investigators the day before the show. He was deliberately spreading misinformation.

AFAIK all information anybody had at the time was that he grew up in a good gun-loving Republican family and he'd written some silly memes on the shell casings. The discord chats and his relationship with a trans woman were AFAIK not revealed yet, or at least were so new that they maybe hadn't made it to Kimmel's writers room. That kind of problem gets a demand of a retraction, not a firing. Contrast that to a Fox Ne…

To be specific, Brian Kilmeade deliberately moved the Overton window on mentally ill homeless people into holocaust territory.

“just kill ’em”

But the FCC accuses Kimmel of “alienating the audience”.

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Post by themaninthedark »

UmGuys wrote: post #649
themaninthedark wrote: post #582

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I see we are forgetting the period of time from the end of 2019 to 2022... Government agencies were "recommending" and "cautioning" social media companies on topics such as COVID and laptops. That was not being done to benefit the political rights. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24781367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24813762

I'm not very aware of this subject, but from my understanding "the laptop" is the files that were extracted from a person's laptop by a man who was supposed to repair it. Then the files were released in public and included nude images. I would expect any company to pull those documents down to limit their own liability and for common decency. Again, I'm not very informed on the subject. So there was that example. Now…

No, they were blocking links to the news story from the NY Post, including users from sending private messages...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24780798

>In April 2021, White House advisers met with Twitter content moderators. The moderators believed the meeting had gone well, but noted in a private Slack discussion that they had fielded "one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn't been kicked off from the platform."

https://reason.com/2023/01/19/how-the-cdc-became-the-speech-...

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