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Post by slg »

zamadatix wrote: post #692
slg wrote: post #583

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I was trying to be more neutral, but after some thought, this isn't the time for that. My "surprise" was more than a bit sarcastic. Between this and the FCC going after Kimmel, now is the last chance I will give for anyone claiming to care about free speech to prove they weren't lying. There's no plausible deniability anymore, free speech is unambiguously under attack.

I'm glad you finally agree free speech under attack. Now that the president/party in power has changed, it seems the comments have shifted from being that "I must be left wing" to "I must be right wing". Is there anything that will make you interested in free speech itself, or is it just an attack towards those you disagree with? People don't want to waste time in an internet debate with someone who starts off with a…

That is because the complaints about left wing threats to free speech are always incredibly dubious like the government asking social media sites to take down what was widely considered dangerous Covid misinformation or some random college professor saying people should use "Latinx". In comparison, the right wing attacks on free speech are like the FCC threatening people for mild jokes. Can you name anything the left wing has done that approaches what we just saw with Kimmel?

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Post by philipallstar »

watwut wrote: post #691
slg wrote: post #520

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You're right, it seems obvious. Considering the number of self-professed "free speech absolutists" I have encountered on this site over the years, I'm surprised at how much benefit of the doubt others are giving this.

The thing is, self-professed "free speech absolutists" generally believe that only right with and nazi speech are the ones worthy of defense. Anybody else who is criticizing those, disagreeing with those or promoting other ideas is seen as threat to free speech. Self-professed "free speech absolutists" get really angry when left or anti right people speak or make the right uncomfortable.

No, this is just in your head. You might still have 40-year-old instincts from when the authoritarian right was in charge, both in institutions and in social norms, but it's been the authoritarian left for 20 years. Any discussion that engages in spreading stereotypes, rather than debating ideas, is just part of the problem.

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Post by rtkwe »

estearum wrote: post #327
rtkwe wrote: post #246

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I think you can it's just shifted by several decades because China took a long dark detour through the Cultural Revolution. QoL exploded in the US in the Post War period, partially imo because we were the only industrialized economy that didn't have significant homeland attacks during WW2 so the US got a straight shot to the top of the heap. China got a similar QoL lift through a similar path, mass manufacturing (thi…

Sure, but what's relevant is what sort of political and cultural pressures we're all experiencing now . Maybe China is just a few years behind on the same crunch trajectory we're on, maybe not, but that doesn't matter much to what's going on today.

Well if the complaint is China is experiencing/experienced much more recently a big uplift in QoL vs the US it's because China was behind the US in it's economic development so it had easier gains to make.

We're no where near experiencing the same political and cultural forces because the US and China are vastly different on many axes both in their structure and culture and importantly we're very very different economically.

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Post by slg »

lenkite wrote: post #667
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #642

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What’s even more hilarious are all the anti cancel culture warriors from the past few years going on about how the Kimmel situation isn’t cancel culture. Especially since this is probably the only incident in the last couple of decades where the cancelation was a result of the government threatening consequences unless a specific individual was not canceled.

Cancel culture has been firmly adopted by all political sides now. It is simply too powerful and effective a weapon to be not used.

It is a pretty big difference when the left wing cancel culture is a grassroots efforts of the populace trying to enforce moral behavior versus the right wing cancel culture we are seeing today in which the government is the one exerting pressure and not the populace.

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Post by Duralias »

brianmurphy wrote: post #643
pelorat wrote: post #593

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Madness for the USA, but a win for Europe if our kids are shielded from right wing American content. I wish Europe could do this with X. Force Elon to create a wall between US and EU users.

Why do you want to exist in an echo chamber? Suppressing ideas doesn't make them go away.

The US is simply too polarized, and clearly has been intentionally made so, and it has spread over here, but thankfully not to the same extreme.

Of course it is bad for the international community that all nation's people aren't connected but since the US really wants to become isolationist may as well look on the bright side.

And personally I don't consider the world exluding the US as an echo chamber, even just the EU is far from an echo chamber, it is a continent of many unique countries, US concerns are heard over here in the EU a lot even if a whole lot of it doesn't matter over here and just causes polarization.

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Post by watwut »

philipallstar wrote: post #702
watwut wrote: post #691

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The thing is, self-professed "free speech absolutists" generally believe that only right with and nazi speech are the ones worthy of defense. Anybody else who is criticizing those, disagreeing with those or promoting other ideas is seen as threat to free speech. Self-professed "free speech absolutists" get really angry when left or anti right people speak or make the right uncomfortable.

No, this is just in your head. You might still have 40-year-old instincts from when the authoritarian right was in charge, both in institutions and in social norms, but it's been the authoritarian left for 20 years. Any discussion that engages in spreading stereotypes, rather than debating ideas, is just part of the problem.

It is authoritarian right right now destroying democracy in full speed.

And it was like that all along, just a bit more hidden so that moderate right can pretend it is not happening all along.

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Post by athorax »

immibis wrote: post #675
athorax wrote: post #516

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This is such a funny take. In China corporations operate at the behest of the government. In the US the government operates at the behest of corporations.

All that means is an interchange of definitions: Chinese calls "corporations" what US calls "government" and vice versa. But not fundamental different reality. On planet Floorp, carpets (organic bipedal tetrapods) use people (machines that suck air) to clean vacuums (woolen floor lining). How quaint - no, not really, that's exactly the same as on Earth but with different words. There are good arguments to be made tha…

Its a nice thought, but this is not at all reflective of reality

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Post by jakelazaroff »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #555
jakelazaroff wrote: post #534

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Have you not been paying attention to what's been happening in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination? The government been foaming at the mouth and clamping down on everyone who dares say anything other than obsequious praise about him. ABC just tonight cancelled Jimmy Kimmel at the behest of the head of the FCC! And I mean, it's not like this is new. The past two years have seen intense crackdowns on pro-Palestini…

I have no particular opinion about those issues. I'm just pointing out the irony of people complaining about "US propaganda" on discussion platforms where the content is overwhelmingly anti-US.

I am referring to this assertion:

> The US may not be preaching about freedom and rights. But it seems to be practicing it, at least in the narrow sense that anti-American content isn't being censored or suppressed.

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Post by SilverbeardUnix »

rs186 wrote: post #674
SilverbeardUnix wrote: post #207

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I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but a lot of democracies do this. Public/Private partnerships are commonplace in Europe.

That's irrelevant. Did this happen frequently in the US history? The US does not simply adopt France's laws but makes their own for a reason.

It's not irrelevant. The parent claimed the US was taking after China; I'm mentioning that this is not uncommon in democracies and places not named China. If you pull anything else from my comment then you are reaching for something that isn't there.
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