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Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by dismalaf »

coldpie wrote: post #327
dismalaf wrote: post #316

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Phones are too slippery these days. Everyone makes them of smooth glass or metal.

Remember soft touch plastics? Grippy and didn't waste all the space of a case? Then some dingleberry marketer decided slippery metals and glass were "premium" and braindead phone reviewers happily parroted that crap and now everyone buys several mm thick cases made of soft touch plastics to cover up the "premium" materials they bought. Sigh.

I do. My HTC Amaze had nice soft-touch plastic on top of an aluminum back, was slim (for the era) and grippy. Also had a Galaxy Note (forget which one) that had a leathery soft touch back, was very nice. The physical design of phones definitely peaked long ago...

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by selcuka »

leptons wrote: post #634
selcuka wrote: post #584

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> Not surprising, this site is made for the Woz's of the world (and that's fine!). I'm pretty sure Woz perfectly understands why iPhone has a larger market share. I use a Pixel too, but I can see that an iPhone is more appealing to 80%+ of world's population.

Except iPhone doesn't have a larger market share, and they aren't being used by 80% of the world's population. Where are you pulling these numbers from? iPhone only has a larger market share in the US, and not by much. Worldwide they are very small compared to android.

> they aren't being used by 80% of the world's population.

I said "iPhone is more appealing to 80%+ of world's population". I didn't say everyone who wants it can afford it.

It's pure speculation, of course, but given its current market share (27% of all devices sold) and its price point, I don't think it's too far fetched to say that its market share would be much higher if price wasn't an issue for people. This is somewhat hinted by the fact that it has a 78% market share in the $1,000+ segment [1], and most iPhone models are over $1K.

Also it still ships more phones than any other single vendor (unless you lump all Android phones into one bucket). In terms of revenue, it's by far the leader with 43% [2].

[1] https://www.netguru.com/blog/iphone-vs-android-users-differe...

[2] https://www.counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/global-smar...

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by tootie »

pornel wrote: post #65
jjice wrote: post #10

> Tensor G5 and the latest version of Gemini Nano work together to run Magic Cue privately and securely on your phone. Running Gemini Nano on device is the most interesting thing here. Magic Cue sounds exactly like the Siri improvements that Apple failed to launch this past year (and have stayed mostly quiet about for this coming year, except saying "eventually"). I hope it works well, because on-device AI for simple…

The Nano model is 3.2B parameters at 4bit quantization. This is quite small compared to what you get from hosted chatbots, and even compared to open-weights models runnable on desktops. It's cool to have something like this available locally anyway, but don't expect it to have reasoning capabilities. At this size it's going to be naive and prone to hallucinations. It's going to be more like a natural language regex a…

I've had Gemma 3n in edge gallery on my phone for months. It's neat that it works at all but it's not very useful.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by pier25 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #619
pier25 wrote: post #494

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On Android I rarely had typos (and never used autocorrect) but on iOS I make constant mistakes. And I mean constant. It's rare when I type a word without a typo.

FTWIW the keys' hitboxes aren't at the displayed area, but at the expected landing area. I'm slightly making up the exact bias, but for instance it will be assumed the user lands a touch slightly above the actual key, as the finger hides the target and Apple's heuristics expect some overshooting. In comparison people used to the iPhone's heuristics might have a harder time on android.

If this is true it seems like a terrible idea. And even worse that it can't be disabled.

Does this happen with all iOS keyboards?

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by tootie »

bityard wrote: post #55

> Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro and Pixel 10 Pro XL are all available for preorder today starting at $799, $999 and $1199. Sigh, still not going to pay more for a phone than I paid for my computer. Also, what is up with that camera module? This doesn't look like it can physically slide into jeans pockets. At least round the corners or add little ramps. I guess this is what happens when design folk are allowed to trump engin…

I'm waiting for Pixel 9 price drops

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by tootie »

nfriedly wrote: post #27

Looks like a minor improvement to the pixel 9 series. Honestly, that's fine, I'm pretty happy with my Pixel 9 Pro. The built-in magsafe charging magnets are a nice addition, although a case with magnets in it works for me for now. Of course, the #1 feature I'd like to see is expandable storage, which Google seems to be strangely against. #2 would be a headphones jack - Google has already reversed course on that one o…

I haven't noticed a major difference in any phone I've owned for 6 or 7 years at least.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

ethbr1 wrote: post #680
jama211 wrote: post #286

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I think it’s been 15+ years for me

Do you folks not go camping?

Many people take their phone with them when camping. Even if there's some desire to "disconnect" (which not everyone has), people still want 1) a device for emergency calls, 2) a camera, and 3) a map.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by cmcaleer »

epolanski wrote: post #435
thewebguyd wrote: post #428

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Apple is the only one that offers actual E2EE with advanced data protection for all iCloud services. Without it, yes, Apple can see your data. With it on, they can't. The key is stored on device, encrypted with your device pin/passcode and covers iCloud backup, including messages, drive, photos, notes, reminders, bookmarks, shortcuts, voice memos, wallet, passwords, health data, journal, home, maps, etc. The only thi…

Apple's E2EE is less safe than a proper one like Proton's (which also has storage, email, calendar). But one has to drink the Apple propaganda and believe it's true. Also, ADP does not work in UK, at all. The rest of the message I won't even comment. All things that if you care you get easier on any other device. And Apple's ad business is booming while other are stagnant.

> Also, ADP does not work in UK, at all.

It does work if you've enabled it before it got disabled back in Feb, and the US successfully managed to get the UK to back off its demands for a backdoor, but it remains to be seen if new UK customers will ever be able to enable ADP again.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by thewebguyd »

rossjudson wrote: post #687
no_wizard wrote: post #284

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As a consumer, I lament most of all about Pixel devices (or any other Android device really) that I have to wipe the OS and install a different one to get features that matter to me, particularly around privacy. Thats why I don't use Pixel devices, or any Android devices really. I know its a precarious situation with Apple since they could reverse their stance at any point and sometimes they get it wrong, but they ha…

What privacy feature are you looking for that Pixels don't supply?

> What privacy feature are you looking for that Pixels don't supply?

Opt-in cross app tracking instead of opt-out, but if Google can get all apps on board with their new privacy sandbox thing that'll be less relevant.

More importantly, an equivalent to Apple's advanced data protection for all Google services & backups. I want full E2EE for photos, notes, backups, passwords, bookmarks, etc. I want built-in hide my email to gmail, I want to be able to turn off network access for any app I want in the permission settings. I want Google to treat Android as something completely separate from their advertising business instead of an extension of it as a source of data collection.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by godelski »

dakiol wrote: post #57
jjice wrote: post #10

> Tensor G5 and the latest version of Gemini Nano work together to run Magic Cue privately and securely on your phone. Running Gemini Nano on device is the most interesting thing here. Magic Cue sounds exactly like the Siri improvements that Apple failed to launch this past year (and have stayed mostly quiet about for this coming year, except saying "eventually"). I hope it works well, because on-device AI for simple…

> I love the idea of an on-device model that I can say something like "who's going to the baseball game this weekend" and it'll intelligently check my calendar and see who's listed. Or saying something like "how much was the dinner at McDoogle's last week?" and have it check digital wallet transactions. It's probably just me (or a few like me) but I don't really keep my life in digital format as much as others (and I…

  > I pay with debit/credit cards but I don't have any digital wallet. I don't take my phone with me most of the time (my phone is big and having it hanging in my pockets is not nice).
I hate having things in my pockets, so that's actually why I like digital wallets. Honestly I'd rather forgo my phone but it is easier to give up my wallet, which is only carried for the ID.

But I've also recently moved away from flagship phones and I really don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I also used to root devices and underclock them after having them for some years to help extend their lives. Similarly I didn't feel like I was missing out on much. But at the same time, whenever a new phone would drop I'd feel like there was this cool new feature yet when I actually had it in my hands none of those features were actually that big of a deal. Even if nice. So moving to a non-flagship is nice entirely due to it being smaller and fitting in my pocket better. And it's not all about the thickness...

  > Which is weird again, because I'm supposed to be the "geek".
I don't think it is weird. I think it is just that innovation has slowed down but marketing hasn't.

I mean there's still lots of things to geek out about and lots of dreams and fantasies about the future and tech that just don't have anything to do with the current direction of innovation.

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