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Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

School-Cotton wrote: post #691
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #649

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Heh. Just as another point. I mentioned the story to another friend, who used to be a cabbie, and he said "Oh, that was a gypsy cab robbery. Classic." Apparently, the way that it works, is that the cab takes you to a bad neighborhood, then tells you to get out, unless you pay. If my friend had tried getting physical, he would have been staring into the muzzle of a .38, so the talk of physical threats was likely bulls…

The original story was that your friend gave Uber the wrong address, and the Uber refused to take them onward after that, even for more money. Now the story is that the Uber intentionally took them to the wrong address, and then offered to take them onward in an attempt to extort more money. Those are completely different stories! Which is it?

Hey, listen, we operate on the information we're given at the time we're given it. They are completely different stories, because they reflect completely different sources of information.

It doesn't seem that matters to you, anyway. I'm not into fighting, so I guess our correspondence is at an end.

I'm not at all averse to admitting when I could be wrong. Not very "American" of me, I know. We're supposed to ride Wrong like a battle tank.

Considering how common the gypsy cab gamut is, I'm surprised no one here considered it. I guess I'm not the only one who is maybe not as worldly as I might think I am, eh?

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Post by tuna74 »

theamk wrote: post #458
oblio wrote: post #262

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We probably went wrong when we decided to maximize money versus maximizing happiness. We badly need to move beyond GDP and to at least IHDI, if not something even better.

When I moved from country where I had to use public transit to a country where I could drive, my happiness (re transportation) increased by a large amount. I am not sure how this relates to the whole "public transit vs cars" argument though.

Where was this place where you could not drive? I don't know of any such place.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by neves »

criddell wrote: post #400
nixpulvis wrote: post #237

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Isolationism progresses.

What do you propose? Should Uber/Lyft train their drivers better to pick up on social cues to know when to engage and when to shut up and drive? Should they do more to make sure their drivers have good hygiene and manners?

Like every company does with their employees?

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Post by tuna74 »

joshSzep wrote: post #401
autobodie wrote: post #327

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> I'm also tired of people becoming parents without considering the financial aspects ahead of time. If you're making minimum wage and are barely surviving, don't have kids until you're on steadier ground. Young is abolutely the best age to have kids. Ask biology. If you want a society (I do) then you want a society that supports people having children. If you want a healthy society (I do) then you want a society tha…

I’ve been thinking about how modern family structures seem increasingly misaligned with what our biology and history may have prepared us for. It seems likely that nature "intended" families to be multigenerational, larger clan-like units linked by shared responsibility, proximity, and care. Modern norms have instead left many parents effectively on their own, juggling full-time work with full-time childcare. If mult…

Or you could just have really good public childcare and after/before school programs for kids up to 10 years.

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Post by fosk »

drcode wrote: post #424
fluidcruft wrote: post #272

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There's also the issue of tipping. I haven't been in a waymo but I generally tip well in Uber or Lyft. I wouldn't tip a robot. So at least to me $15+$5 tip vs $20 is pretty much a wash.

I was kinda pissed when my local mall got a "barista robot", and it asks for a 20% tip when you swipe your card

Tipping has lost its meaning and it is simply a money grab these days in many establishments, as your experience demonstrates. Like tipping for food to go.

I only tip when I sit down and good service is actually provided.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by maxlin »

This bodes well for Tesla. After their product is fully ready and released, regardless if it takes 5 years, with any sense it's going to be the cheapest, will reach anywhere (no requirement for mapping, can reliably calculate to the limit of its range), AND have the privacy benefits of a self driving cab.

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Post by maxlin »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #676
chipsrafferty wrote: post #279

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I would pay extra just to never ride in a Tesla. They always make me carsick.

> ... Tesla. They always make me carsick. I never heard this once before HN. What is particular about Teslas? Is it the rapid acceleration from the electric motor... or lack of familiar engine sound?

I'm calling it, it's mainstream media induced psychosomatics

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Post by smus »

balfirevic wrote: post #339
MegaButts wrote: post #252

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Self-driving cars are cool but I'd rather have good public transit. These vehicles clearly have utility beyond just public transit, but I'd rather they be an edge case rather than considered a main solution. So yeah, from my perspective the problem is being focused on profits instead of trying to solve the real problem with solutions that have already existed for decades. If you zoom out a bit, your argument would be…

Even in cities with good public transit, it will not take me home at 3 AM, with possibly few exceptions like New York.

Even in cities with good public transit, it will not take me home at 3 AM, with possibly few exceptions like cities that have good public transit.

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Post by djrj477dhsnv »

autobodie wrote: post #327
kelnos wrote: post #222

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So that's fine then? A family of four with both parents working at $23.66/hr each is $3.87/hr above that level. Unless you're saying "starvation wage" and "living wage" are the same thing, which I don't think is a reasonable characterization. Only problem is if they decide to have a third kid, or if you have a single parent with one or more kids. And while I get that unforeseen things happen to people that lower thei…

> I'm also tired of people becoming parents without considering the financial aspects ahead of time. If you're making minimum wage and are barely surviving, don't have kids until you're on steadier ground. Young is abolutely the best age to have kids. Ask biology. If you want a society (I do) then you want a society that supports people having children. If you want a healthy society (I do) then you want a society tha…

We have plenty of people in the world. We'd be a whole lot better off if more people waited until they're financially stable before having children.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by 1oooqooq »

harmmonica wrote: post #137

As a Waymo-booster on HN for a while now, here's my latest anecdote. I tried to figure out how to take Waymo to LAX even though it's not actually in their territory yet just because I value the experience so much. I was borderline going to take it within walking distance (about half a mile), but got lazy at the last minute. I took Lyft instead, and, as if the universe cursed my laziness, I booked a "comfort" car for…

why do you think you will get better service with waymo when it's as established as the others?

the whole market is a race to the bottom to extract rent from what should have been a municipality cost center.

oh, do you like waymo automated support and driver better than Lyft automated support? or just can't imagine a world where tomorrow waymo will have aging cars too?

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