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It would not collapase. But it would shift some purchaing power from the middle class to the working class if all of them would leave, as working class salaries would go up even faster than the inflatino it would cause.
Our economy absolutely would collapse. Our entire farming industry exists because of heavily abused immigrant labor, and is a job that Americans refuse to take. We've made multiple swings and attempts at getting Americans to do this work [1] but it's low pay, low benefits and grueling work. Farmers literally could not afford the actual salary needed to attract people to do said labor, and it would cause food prices a…
Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
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Yes, but their performative purpose is to create the illusion that the situation is out of the control of the civilian authorities.
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LA is definitely okay with illegal immigrants, but it's akin to a deal with the devil. It's a sacrifice on their part for cheap labor in exchange for the occasional burning down and looting of their favorite locations when the tide turns against their favor as it is right now. There is an entire economic system and mechanism of living wrapped around this blood-contract in states like California. The moment something…
Also, the downvoting provides very deep insight of thinking that has taken over. These people have no critical thinking - not to mention self-criticism, as that has been carefully rooted out - apparently knowledge is not important, but education. The paid actors in streets are not the main problem of USA, but whole generation of imbeciles, that can't take responsibility of their own - not to mention for whole country…
> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
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> This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. I mean, Gavin Newsom just did a long interview from a "crisis center" where he did exactly that, today. And plenty of Democratic politicians also speak against violent protests whenever they occur. But unless you actua…
The Democratic politicians have painted themselves into a corner by trying to maintain far left support. Compare the messaging: Trump: We must have law and order. Immigration laws must be enforced. We will not tolerate riots or destruction. Protesters: The government shouldn't detain people who are in the country illegally. We should ignore federal laws we don't agree with. If we disagree with federal agents who are…
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You (intentionally?) forgot to include the acts of violence that kicked all of this off: the government abducting, arresting, and deporting our neighbors. There were, and are, many other options available to the government that would not have lead to this escalation & violence.
Its like in France, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants get pissed off due to their better-studying peers driving bmw around while they work a kebab shop (or their football team loses), so they torch 1000 cars and shops in suburbs.
You get attacked? You either attack back, disperse or do something similar. You don't start attacking other people's lives just to vent off being pissed off.
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Which countries are using the military to enforce laws? Which countries are denying due process? In which countries is the executive branch ignoring court orders? In which countries is the executive branch claiming the powers of the legislative and judicial branches? I have no doubt these countries exist, but I'm deeply skeptical that they are imitable.
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#707If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans
Then businesses or even individuals could hire someone for an hour, a day or a year and pay them with no friction. And the check for eligibility would be automatic. Fees could be driven to very low levels by the fact that there is no creativity whatsoever in actually implementing the transfer.
But there’s a showstopping problem here: the US economy, especially agriculture, is highly dependent on employing people illegally. So a real solution to controlling illegal employment would also require the kind of immigration reform that actually allows useful immigration, and it would require a competently run nation database of employment eligibility, and good luck getting bipartisan consensus on that.
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It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut dow…
What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades , were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc? Once the state sets its eyes on enemies, it doesn't stop adding to that list. Use of the tools and techniques in place right now will continue to be used, and against "legal" citizens. I worry how we turn the corner. I don't like what history says.
That has happened to me. Some of them did real heinous shit and deserve prison for the rest of their lives. And some I disagree with the laws they were charged for.
HN not beating the allegations of sheltered, gated community, out-of-touch kids going straight into white collar life.
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> LA just can't seem to catch a break. Floods last year, fires earlier this year and now this I'm in LA right now. If I didn't read the news I wouldn't know anything is up.
Living in LA is so great. The only thing I regret in my life is not getting here sooner.
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Which countries are using the military to enforce laws? Which countries are denying due process? In which countries is the executive branch ignoring court orders? In which countries is the executive branch claiming the powers of the legislative and judicial branches? I have no doubt these countries exist, but I'm deeply skeptical that they are imitable.
Cuba, the PRC, North Korea, Russia...