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> The LLM skeptics need to point out what differs with code compared to Chess, DoTA, etc from a RL perspective. I see the burden of proof has been reversed. That’s stage 2 already of the hubris cycle. On a serious note, these are nothing alike. Games have a clear reward function. Software architecture is extremely difficult to even agree on basic principles. We regularly invalidate previous ”best advice”, and we have…

> I see the burden of proof has been reversed. Isn't this just a pot calling the kettle black? I'm not sure why either side has the rightful position of "my opinion is right until you prove otherwise". We're talking about predictions for the future, anyone claiming to be "right" is lacking humility. The only think going on is people justifying their opinions, no one can offer "proof".

> Isn't this just a pot calling the kettle black?

New expression to me, thanks.

But yes, and no. I’d agree in the sense that the null hypothesis is crucial, possible the main divider between optimists and pessimists. But I’ll still hold firm that the baseline should be predicting that transformer based AI differs from humans in ability since everything from neural architecture, training, and inference works differently. But most importantly, existing AI vary dramatically in ability across domains, where AI exceeds human ability in some and fail miserably in others.

Another way to interpret the advancement of AI is viewing it as a mirror directed at our neurophysiology. Clearly, lots of things we thought were different, like pattern matching in audio- or visual spaces, are more similar than we thought. Other things, like novel discoveries and reasoning, appear to require different processes altogether (or otherwise, we’d see similar strength in those, given that training data is full of them).

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Use aistudio.google.com

Fyi anything on AIStudio can be used for training and/or review, do not upload anything sensitive there.

Not applicable if you are a paying customer. Only applicable to free plans.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms#data-use-paid

For unpaid services there is no difference between aistudio vs gemini.google.com. They will harvest your data.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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LLMs cannot replace what we do. Only AGI could do that, at which point you could say the same about anything. 'Racist' in your culture, not in mine.

The reason you feel safe now is because of the marketing tactics of AI companies in pushing their phished goods on the world. LLMs have done anything yet other then reduced the barrier of entry into the software field. Like what google search and stackoverflow did 10yrs ago. The same principles apply, if your only skill is using an LLMs (or google searching) then you will be the first replaced when the markets turn.…

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How would they train it on google code without revealing internal IP?

Google has 2.8k public repositories on just their main github account (github.com/google). Even if they're not training on their closed source internal codebases (which they most certainly are, but fair point that they're probably not releasing the models trained on that data), it definitely seems like they have a lot of Go code in the training data.

but so do their competitors?

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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I code with multiple LLMs every day and build products that use LLM tech under the hood. I dont think we're anywhere near LLMs being good at code design. Existing models make _tons_ of basic mistakes and require supervision even for relatively simple coding tasks in popular languages, and its worse for languages and frameworks that are less represented in public sources of training data. I am _frequently_ having to t…

> I code with multiple LLMs every day and build products that use LLM tech under the hood. I dont think we're anywhere near LLMs being good at code design. I too use multiple LLMs every day to help with my development work. And I agree with this statement. But, I also recognize that just when we think that LLMs are hitting a ceiling, they turn around and surprise us. A lot of progress is being made on the LLMs, but a…

Nah man, I work with them daily. For me, the ceiling was reached a while ago. At least for my use case, these new models don’t bring any real improvements.

I’m not even talking about large codebases. It struggles to generate a valid ~400 LOC TypeScript file when that requires above-average type system knowledge. Try asking it to write a new-style decorator (added in 2023), and it mostly just hallucinates or falls back to the old syntax.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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What if I told you that a dev group with a sensibly-limited social-club flavor is where I arguably did my best and also had my happiest memories from? In the midst of SOME of the "socializing" (which, by the way, almost always STILL sticks to technical topics, even if they are merely adjacent to the task at hand) are brilliant ideas often born which sometimes end up contributing directly to bottom lines. Would you li…

> What if I told you that a dev group with a sensibly-limited social-club flavor is where I arguably did my best and also had my happiest memories from? Maybe you did, and as a developer I am sure it is more fun, easier, and enjoyable to work in those places. That isnt what we offer though. We offer something very simple. The opportunity for a developer to come in, work hard, probably not enjoy themselves, produce wh…

This sounds like an awful place to work lol
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