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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by jmull »

lostmsu wrote: post #581
jmull wrote: post #570

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An aside: “monkey patch” doesn’t mean what you think it means. More on topic… crimes aren’t all the same, and the willingness of a person to commit one kind of crime doesn’t necessarily mean they are willing to commit another kind of crime. For example, a large proportion of drivers in the US break the law every time they drive, from speeding to rolling stops, etc. By your standard all of these people are criminals w…

Of the options you mentioned the law only prescribes taking away driver licenses AFAIK. And you could, see no problem with that.

The point is, people are breaking the law all the time, that law is rarely enforced, yet no one seems to be calling for a widespread crackdown on speeding.

The previous poster calls on us to be concerned about crimes and criminals leading to more crimes, but we already live in a country where very large numbers of “criminals” are driving around all over the place, yet it doesn’t seem to be a problem.

You might ask yourself why it’s supposed to be a big problem for one kind of law but not for another.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by asdsadasdasd123 »

ty6853 wrote: post #696
asdsadasdasd123 wrote: post #684

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Garcia could have been deported literally anywhere but el salvador as he had an active deportation order, and withholding only from El Salvador. They could have just dropped him in a barren reef in the middle of the Pacific and said good fucking luck, why they took him the one place he couldn't go evades all logic.

I think you have the wrong case; is Garcia also a domestic abuser?

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Post by ty6853 »

asdsadasdasd123 wrote: post #702
ty6853 wrote: post #696

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Garcia could have been deported literally anywhere but el salvador as he had an active deportation order, and withholding only from El Salvador. They could have just dropped him in a barren reef in the middle of the Pacific and said good fucking luck, why they took him the one place he couldn't go evades all logic.

I think you have the wrong case; is Garcia also a domestic abuser?

His wife claimed in a restraining order filing that he was one writing she was "punched" "scratched" and had her clothes forcibly ripped.

No idea if he was one as she claimed the exact opposite of what she wrote on her GoFundMe donation page about how they needed money because he is such a great husband/father.

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Post by crooked-v »

dionian wrote: post #379
crooked-v wrote: post #319

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I find it extremely doubtful that she told the agents he'd be leaving through a particular door or that she had any legal obligation to make sure the man exited in a particular way.

there is usually only one exit to a courtroom, in the back

No, there are usually several entrances/exits, such as for jurors, prisoners, judge's chambers, and the general public.

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Post by selimthegrim »

goatlover wrote: post #582
exe34 wrote: post #497

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you'd be declared an illegal immigrant and removed to hotel salvador pretty quickly at this point. The orangefuhrer has already said he's coming after the "homegrown" next.

At what point will Democratic state governors and legislatures have enough of autocratic takeover? States have their own National Guard.

You might want a State Guard, which might be a little harder to federalize than the National Guard

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Post by lolinder »

TrackerFF wrote: post #693
s1artibartfast wrote: post #680

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How is that a key point? The agents were asked to wait in a public area, the hall outside the courtroom. There was a call with the chief judge who confirmed this is a public area. The allegations revolve around judge Dugan's actions. They allegedly cancelled the targets hearing and [directed] the them through a private back door to avoid arrest. Edit: directed, not escorted.

If we're going to be technical about this, which one has to be in the eyes of the law, what is the difference between escorting them through the private back door vs escorting them through the front door? How do you prove intent? That her intent was to obstruct? They point out in the article that such room (juror room) is never usually used by certain people, but that still doesn't prove anything about her intent.

If it can be credibly demonstrated that she cancelled the hearing and escorted the defendant out a back door within seconds of sending the officers away, that she had every intent of proceeding with the hearing before meeting with the officers, and that she and her peers did not usually use that door for defendants, then I would consider that to be proof beyond reasonable doubt that she intended to obstruct the arrest.

It's not a given, but it doesn't seem like an insurmountable burden of proof either.

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Post by einszwei »

sarlalian wrote: post #646
noemit wrote: post #553

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Funny enough, CECOT only exists because of this. MS-13 started in the United States, and only spread to El Salvador because of deportations, making El Salvador completely unlivable.

That is a very simple explanation to an obviously more complex issue.

You cannot discard the role of US Immigration & Deportation policy in the rise of MS13 gang.

Please read some books on the matter if you disagree. My recommendation is "Unforgetting: A Memoir of Family, Migration, Gangs, and Revolution in the Americas"

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Post by selimthegrim »

ty6853 wrote: post #548
Ancapistani wrote: post #528

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> They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. Criminals - you mean like illegal immigrants and those who aid and abet them?

The courts are a bit split on this. Recently in illinois a judge found an illegal immigrant is not a prohibited person if they meet some standard of community ties/integration, although I've totally forgotten what criteria the judge used.

Remember that the McDonald case incorporated the second amendment to the states so the judges have to decide these sorts of questions for people who are out of status.

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Post by thowawy9292 »

chimeracoder wrote: post #690
macinjosh wrote: post #640

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> Why are some people so obsessed with protecting people with no regard for our laws This is a wild statement for someone to write in defense of people who just broke the law while arresting a federal judge who was herself attempting to enforce the law.

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by sasmithjr »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #680
Animats wrote: post #602

A key point here, which the judge brought up with the ICE agents, is that they only had an "administrative warrant".[1] An “ICE warrant” is not a real warrant. It is not reviewed by a judge or any neutral party to determine if it is based on probable cause. "An immigration officer from ICE or CBP may not enter any nonpublic areas—or areas that are not freely accessible to the public and hence carry a higher expectati…

How is that a key point? The agents were asked to wait in a public area, the hall outside the courtroom. There was a call with the chief judge who confirmed this is a public area. The allegations revolve around judge Dugan's actions. They allegedly cancelled the targets hearing and [directed] the them through a private back door to avoid arrest. Edit: directed, not escorted.

> [Dugan allegedly] escorted the them through a private back door to avoid arrest.

According to the complaint [0] on page 11, Flores-Ruiz still ended up in a public hallway and was observed by one of the agents. They just didn't catch him before he was able to use the elevator.

INAL but I don't think "Dugan let Flores-Ruiz use a different door to get to the elevator than ICE expected" should be illegal.

[0]: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/3d022b74...

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